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    Illinois Senate Tells Trump, Show Your Tax Returns Or Be Barred From The 2020 Ballot

    If this isn't illegal, it should be. What other conditions can a state set to run for president? Hey, don't like the 35 year old minimum age? Well, set it to 55 or you won't get on the ballot.

    This should be ruled unconstitutional, IMO.

    The Democratic-led Illinois Senate voted Thursday to compel President Trump to release five yearsí worth of his personal income tax returns or be barred from appearing on the stateís presidential ballot next year.

    The state is joining a movement of other Democratic states that aims to force the president to open up his personal finances by releasing his tax returns, something he stubbornly has refused to do and reiterated again this week.

    During contentious floor debate in the Illinois statehouse, Trumpís name wasnít mentioned once by the legislationís sponsor, state Sen. Tony Munoz, a Chicago Democrat who insisted he merely is trying to shed more transparency on the presidential campaign.

    ďIf you want to run for vice president or president of the United States, hey, whatís wrong with providing your tax returns for the past five years?Ē Munoz asked his colleagues ahead of the Senateís 36-19 vote in favor of his bill.

    ďIf youíve got nothing to hide, you shouldnít worry about anything,Ē he continued. ďThatís how I see it.Ē
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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    If this isn't illegal, it should be. What other conditions can a state set to run for president? Hey, don't like the 35 year old minimum age? Well, set it to 55 or you won't get on the ballot.

    This should be ruled unconstitutional, IMO.



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    What a fascinating idea, that any state legislature should be allowed to list on its ballots only the candidates it chooses. I like this one:

    Any candidate who won't reveal his or her college records shall not be listed!




    Maybe IL will list no Republican candidates. To hell with them. Maybe the state should decide that any candidate who supports policies contrary to that state's laws cannot be on the ballot.

    The possibilities are entertaining.

    The reality is, this is a rejection of the democratic process. They should name it The Elections Shmelections bill.


    The Stupid is strong in this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    The reality is, this is a rejection of the democratic process.

    Section 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
    Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.


    Yes. Yes, it is.
    The reason Trump succeeded isnít that complicated after all. He didnít win the nomination by tapping into some nascent political movement. He won by doing a fairly good impression of a right-wing media celebrity. Every issue, every conspiracy, every applause line has been ripped from their websites, radio shows, and television programs. Itís why he became Americaís most prominent birther. Itís why he floated rumors that Ted Cruzís dad killed JFK, and that Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster. Itís why he talks the way he does about Mexicans and Muslims and women and African Americans. Itís why heís been able to get away with knowing little to nothing about policy or government or world affairs ó because Trump, like any good talking head, only speaks in chyrons and clauses and some-people-are-sayings.

    Trumpís greatest trick has been to realize that right-wing media stars have a built-in audience that Republican politicians donít. To that audience, Jeb Bush talks like Washington talks. Ted Cruz talks like conservative ideologues talk. Marco Rubio talks like the last consultant he spoke with talks. But Trump talks like a true talk radio fan ó longtime listener, first-time caller. He comes off like the winner of a reality TV show in which one lucky Fox viewer gets picked to run for president of the United States.

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    Oh, now they're all concerned about the popular vote for president.

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    As with anything else, I believe a state cannot have qualifications that contravene or are more restrictive than the US Constitution, so the age thing wouldn't fly. States already have other restrictions that vary from state to state, such as how a candidate qualifies for the ballot (number of signatures, for example).

    I don't know, frankly, if this is legal or not. It should be interesting to watch, and I suppose we'll find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    As with anything else, I believe a state cannot have qualifications that contravene or are more restrictive than the US Constitution, so the age thing wouldn't fly. States already have other restrictions that vary from state to state, such as how a candidate qualifies for the ballot (number of signatures, for example).

    I don't know, frankly, if this is legal or not. It should be interesting to watch, and I suppose we'll find out.
    I'm curious as well. I really can't imagine this will pass muster.

    I recall from some distant conversation that political parties are in fact private clubs, who can restrict membership as they see fit. They qualify to get on the ballot by passing through a state's election rules, which can be intentionally diabolical. But can a state decide to allow only a certain number of such private clubs may appear on the ballot?

    Can a state disallow write-in campaigns?

    (Not for nothing, Lisa Murkowski won her write-in campaign after losing the Party primary to an upstart. It's as if Joe Crowley came back and won the November election against AOC.)

    What if a state somehow devised its rules to arrange that only one Party would be on the ballot. All others would be write-ins. Why would that be illegal? Or would it?

    Does our present system depend merely on some common cultural understanding of fair elections?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    (Not for nothing, Lisa Murkowski won her write-in campaign after losing the Party primary to an upstart.
    Please don't remind me that I was enough of an idiot to write in her name.
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    No, you do. Except when you go full frontal white supremacy. Then they just pretend you didnít say that. They do that with all their bigots except Lady Marva. That is probably because her racism is clumsy. But so is Markís but in a Trumpian acceptable way, I guess.

    But you? You are rarely challenged here (other than by Bane) and even then, when Celeste forgets how much she loves her gun, it is exceedingly mild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbit View Post
    Please don't remind me that I was enough of an idiot to write in her name.
    Boo hiss!

    Y'know, John McCain got the glory for scotching Repeal & Replace, but Murkowski broke her promise to her constituents and voted against it, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    I'm curious as well. I really can't imagine this will pass muster.
    Why not? The power to choose electors by the Several States is plenary.
    The reason Trump succeeded isnít that complicated after all. He didnít win the nomination by tapping into some nascent political movement. He won by doing a fairly good impression of a right-wing media celebrity. Every issue, every conspiracy, every applause line has been ripped from their websites, radio shows, and television programs. Itís why he became Americaís most prominent birther. Itís why he floated rumors that Ted Cruzís dad killed JFK, and that Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster. Itís why he talks the way he does about Mexicans and Muslims and women and African Americans. Itís why heís been able to get away with knowing little to nothing about policy or government or world affairs ó because Trump, like any good talking head, only speaks in chyrons and clauses and some-people-are-sayings.

    Trumpís greatest trick has been to realize that right-wing media stars have a built-in audience that Republican politicians donít. To that audience, Jeb Bush talks like Washington talks. Ted Cruz talks like conservative ideologues talk. Marco Rubio talks like the last consultant he spoke with talks. But Trump talks like a true talk radio fan ó longtime listener, first-time caller. He comes off like the winner of a reality TV show in which one lucky Fox viewer gets picked to run for president of the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Jingo View Post
    Why not? The power to choose electors by the Several States is plenary.
    Common sense tells me the state can't enhance qualifications required of a candidate for federal office.

    The state can require gubernatorial candidates to stand on their heads in a short skirt and whistle Dixie, to be on the ballot; a town might require its mayoral candidates live within walking distance of their Town Hall; but the town can't gin up new requirements for gubernatorial candidates, and the state can't make up hoops for presidential candidates to jump through. That's why Celeste said jiggering with the age requirement is a non-starter, and I suspect the tax disclosure idea is likewise.
    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." óCNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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