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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    What I'd like to know is where does all this end?

    To my knowledge, there is only one sinless human being - everybody else falls short and even that one would be highly suspect by today's SJW Taliban.

    This mania for condemning people for crimes they could have never imagined when alive is dangerous. It's a feature, not a bug, of every totalitarian madman we've ever seen. History has context. To deny that is to deny reality which never seems to work out well.

    Far from it.

    The historical backlashes from this kind of thing have been swift and in some cases, brutal. You can't strip a culture of its history without engendering intense antagonism - against the new gatekeepers and eventually against their masters in the government and academia.

    But the gatekeepers are easier to reach when things get out of control.
    To destroy a country, you destroy its morals, its traditions, and its history. You destroy and demoralize the populace to the point where they don't feel the country is worth fighting to keep.

    Why the "useful idiots" want to do this is beyond me. They won't realize what they have done until its over, and by then it will be too late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    What I'd like to know is where does all this end?

    To my knowledge, there is only one sinless human being - everybody else falls short and even that one would be highly suspect by today's SJW Taliban.

    This mania for condemning people for crimes they could have never imagined when alive is dangerous. It's a feature, not a bug, of every totalitarian madman we've ever seen. History has context. To deny that is to deny reality which never seems to work out well.

    Far from it.

    The historical backlashes from this kind of thing have been swift and in some cases, brutal. You can't strip a culture of its history without engendering intense antagonism - against the new gatekeepers and eventually against their masters in the government and academia.

    But the gatekeepers are easier to reach when things get out of control.
    As a species we can butcher millions without batting an eye, on and on until the need to express some virtue is exhausted.

    So to ask where does it end is a dangerous question. The answer might be, I don't want to know.

    It's already absurd, this fad of destroying all things associated with unfashionable history.

    Tell you what. Maybe you've heard the song, Chattanooga Choo Choo.

    Here are the opening words:

    Pardon me boy, is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo?
    Track twenty nine, boy you can gimme a shine

    Porters were black, as were "shoeshine boys." Those lyrics are racist by our standards.

    So not only must we never, ever, hear that song again, we must ban the music of everyone who ever sang it. That would include Glen Miller, the Andrews Sisters and Bing Crosby, for starters.

    No more White Christmas, no more Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy, no more In the Mood, because they performed Chattanooga Choo Choo.

    There were plenty of racist songs. Mississippi Mud:

    What a dance do they do!
    Lordy, how I'm tellin' you
    They don't need no band
    They keep time by clappin' their hand
    Just as happy as a cow chewin' on a cud,
    When the people beat their feet on the Mississippi Mud.

    Ain't Nobody Here But Us Chickens:

    One night farmer Brown was takin' the airs
    Locked up the barnyard with the greatest of care
    Down in the hen house, somethin' stirred
    When he shouted, "Who's there?"
    This is what he heard
    “There ain't nobody here but us chickens
    There ain't nobody here at all

    It was understood both songs referenced colored folk, as polite people of the time would have said.

    Popeye cartoons are hard to find, I believe. Maybe that's because a number of them were very racist in their depictions of blacks. Music by Stephen Foster is hard to find, since some of his songs are accused of promoting racist stereotypes. Foster was once regarded as America's greatest song-writer.

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    Such wimps. A song is just a song; scrubbing it is easy. Swap in something by the Wiggles.

    How about removing the work of other horrible racists, like Robert Moses?

    That would take cojones.
    Robert Moses built two beautiful parkways, the Northern and the Southern, on Long Island, long before the interstate (495) split the difference.

    But to prevent riffraff from NYC from coming out to Long Island's beautiful beaches via those parkways, he intentionally made the bridges too low for buses.

    Logic would say we must take dramatic action!

    Composer Richard Wagner was a nasty anti-Semite. He probably would make a good Democrat. But meanwhile many Jews avoided his music, understandably, and it was only a few years ago that something or other of his was performed for the first time in Israel.

    The world has generally come to terms with imperfection.

    Not leftists, of course, about whom Mark is correct. They want to destroy the country so far as they can. The old must be swept away for the new.

    I believe, on the other hand, most supporters of this silly fad and not leftists but enthusiastic liberals, anxious to find a way to make a meaningful impact for high-minded values, in a world that offers no ready challenges to their comfort.

    They're also afflicted with immature thinking skills, or maybe they majored in ITS at some prestigious institution like Boston University.

    It's hard to tell.
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    The do-gooders will simply change the lyrics...

    Pardon me boy, is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo?

    Will become:

    Pardon me Roy, is that the cat that chewed your new shoes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    The do-gooders will simply change the lyrics...

    Pardon me boy, is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo?

    Will become:

    Pardon me Roy, is that the cat that chewed your new shoes?

    Mark


    That's happened occasionally. The first word in the original Showboat musical on Broadway was "Nigger," sung by the chorus as in, "Niggers all work on the Mississippi..."

    Mostly that's been changed to the words Ray Charles used, "Here we all work on the Mississippi...."
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    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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    Posted by Newman (whom I still can't quote):

    Maybe you've heard the song, Chattanooga Choo Choo.

    Here are the opening words:

    Pardon me boy, is that the Chattanooga Choo Choo?
    Track twenty nine, boy you can gimme a shine

    Porters were black, as were "shoeshine boys." Those lyrics are racist by our standards.
    It's true that porters and shoeshine "boys" were black; what's missing here is that, in my experience, white southerners called any male they considered socially inferior, or whose name they had no need to learn, "boy." That's why we have "busboys" in restaurants, for example, even when they're white as the driven snow and 70 years old.

    There were maybe 2 or 3 old-lady (meaning, from my then-childish perspective, over 40 or so) schoolteachers who addressed the bag "boy" at the Colonial Store as "young man," but everyone else said, "Boy, can you carry this out for me?" Assuming he hadn't already started to do that, because back then, help out to the car with your groceries was expected, not just for the perceived-to-be elderly or feeble. And they got to keep the nickel or dime tip, too.

    A grown man who did manual labor for a wealthier man was Mr. So-and-so's "boy," as in, "Mr. So-and-so, if you don't have nothin' for your boy to do this afternoon, would you send him over to turn Mama's garden for her?"

    And among men of a certain station in life, white southerners still refer to each other as "boy," right up until they're planted. For example, "Is Sam still running the bait shop over to Parksley?" "Hell, no, that ol' boy died 2 years ago."

    And of course, any male younger than the speaker remains a "boy" for life. My 80-some-year-old great-grandmother Henrietta, to my 60-some-year-old grandfather: "Boy, mind your mouth; I can still turn you over my knee if I have to."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    It's true that porters and shoeshine "boys" were black; what's missing here is that, in my experience, white southerners called any male they considered socially inferior, or whose name they had no need to learn, "boy." That's why we have "busboys" in restaurants, for example, even when they're white as the driven snow and 70 years old.

    There were maybe 2 or 3 old-lady (meaning, from my then-childish perspective, over 40 or so) schoolteachers who addressed the bag "boy" at the Colonial Store as "young man," but everyone else said, "Boy, can you carry this out for me?" Assuming he hadn't already started to do that, because back then, help out to the car with your groceries was expected, not just for the perceived-to-be elderly or feeble. And they got to keep the nickel or dime tip, too.

    A grown man who did manual labor for a wealthier man was Mr. So-and-so's "boy," as in, "Mr. So-and-so, if you don't have nothin' for your boy to do this afternoon, would you send him over to turn Mama's garden for her?"

    And among men of a certain station in life, white southerners still refer to each other as "boy," right up until they're planted. For example, "Is Sam still running the bait shop over to Parksley?" "Hell, no, that ol' boy died 2 years ago."

    And of course, any male younger than the speaker remains a "boy" for life. My 80-some-year-old great-grandmother Henrietta, to my 60-some-year-old grandfather: "Boy, mind your mouth; I can still turn you over my knee if I have to."

    Sure, and soldiers encouraged each other similarly, "C'mon boys! Let's charge into that cannon fire!"

    And there were other, offensive names for black men particularly, like Sam or Sambo.

    But "boy" became an offensive address for a black man, and that's all that matters in this Age of Great Outrage.
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    “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

    "What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents.” ―Robert F. Kennedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    There were maybe 2 or 3 old-lady (meaning, from my then-childish perspective, over 40 or so) schoolteachers who addressed the bag "boy" at the Colonial Store as "young man," but everyone else said, "Boy, can you carry this out for me?" Assuming he hadn't already started to do that, because back then, help out to the car with your groceries was expected, not just for the perceived-to-be elderly or feeble. And they got to keep the nickel or dime tip, too.
    At Publix, the big grocery chain here in Florida, assistance to the car is always offered, by policy, and no tips are accepted. You'd like it.
    "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.

    “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

    "What is objectionable, what is dangerous about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents.” ―Robert F. Kennedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Sure, and soldiers encouraged each other similarly, "C'mon boys! Let's charge into that cannon fire!"

    And there were other, offensive names for black men particularly, like Sam or Sambo.

    But "boy" became an offensive address for a black man, and that's all that matters in this Age of Great Outrage.
    Which is also funny because, if a black woman starts a sentence with, "Girl..." it generally means she likes the woman she's addressing, and addressing someone as "Child...," s Nova mentioned, is a sign of affection among southerners of all colors, AFAIK.

    I believe politeness requires that we address people in the manner they prefer, within reason. That doesn't necessarily mean the preference is rational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    At Publix, the big grocery chain here in Florida, assistance to the car is always offered, by policy, and no tips are accepted. You'd like it.
    I know Publix well, and it's one of the few things I miss. The humidity is not another. Nor the bugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    Which is also funny because, if a black woman starts a sentence with, "Girl..." it generally means she likes the woman she's addressing, and addressing someone as "Child...," s Nova mentioned, is a sign of affection among southerners of all colors, AFAIK.

    I believe politeness requires that we address people in the manner they prefer, within reason. That doesn't necessarily mean the preference is rational.
    I'm glad you feel that way. From now on, you can call me "your majesty".



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