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    Male student takes stand against ‘toxic masculinity’ narrative

    Male student takes stand against ‘toxic masculinity’ narrative
    DREW VAN VOORHIS - SAN DIEGO STATE UNIVERSITY •MAY 7, 2019

    ‘We have so many people talking about toxic masculinity, but so few talking about toxic femininity’

    Jermelle MacLeod is a man, and he’s not going to apologize for it.

    The San Diego State University freshman and budding philosopher recently took to the pages of the campus newspaper The Daily Aztec and let the world know what he thinks of the term “toxic masculinity” and those who wield it.

    “Toxic masculinity doesn’t exist,” he wrote in his op-ed. “Traits that one person considers toxic, may not be to another person; the entire phrase is based on a subjective scale with absolutely no objective ground and is used as a shaming tactic for ‘modern feminists’ and anybody else buying into their horrible rhetoric.”

    “For example, one person may like the typical ‘alpha male,’” MacLeod wrote. “Confident, loud, powerful, buff, etc. But another person may find those traits unlikeable, and so they’ll brand that male as ‘toxic’ because ‘toxic masculinity’ is a catch-all term for any traits a man has that are considered unlikeable or ‘overly masculine.’”

    “ … The problem is, by shaming men on a completely subjective scale, you intimidate, which is exactly what the left and most ‘feminists’ want, they want to intimidate the men that go against the grain and reject the weak and feminized version of men you see portrayed everywhere. I believe there are toxic people, but to make an entire term for men and to keep cramming it down the throats of men is biased, bigoted and a result of brainwashing.”

    “A toxic person can be defined as somebody that is poisonous to you or society. Toxic people can be any gender, male, female or nonbinary. So why do we have an entire term for men?”

    “ … We have so many people talking about toxic masculinity, but so few talking about toxic femininity.”

    MacLoad, in an interview this week with The College Fix, said he has no regrets about taking on controversial topic.

    “I argued that it doesn’t really exist,” he said in an interview. “Because it’s used so much that the term no longer has any objective meaning. It’s literally just something that’s used for the sake of shaming. So that’s why I think it doesn’t really exist, why it’s just there. It’s been stretched out so much that it’s gone.”

    MacLeod is no stranger to writing — nor taking on the subject of men.

    His byline discussing male behavior and characteristics has been featured on The Good Men Project website with headlines such as “Free Will: How Men Can Steer Clear of Society’s Outdated Expectations” and “Lessons From a Man on the Road: How can a man live life without worrying about what someone else thinks of him?” His musings are also published on Medium.

    As for his decision to broach toxic masculinity in the pages of The Daily Aztec, it was a “buildup of things,” he told The Fix.

    “It was a mixture of the leftist pressure on campus,” he said. “It was a mixture of the fact that the APA is pretty much saying that anything that is not feminine is toxic.”

    MacLeod was referring to a decision earlier this year by the American Psychological Association to offer guidelines calling “traditional masculinity” harmful.

    “And most importantly,” he added, “it was the fact that any man who goes against the grain is shamed for doing so, so they lose their sense of individuality and they’re forced to succumb to the nonsense that the left is putting out.”

    MacLeod will not be shamed, even in the face of backlash, he said. His column prompted an angry letter to the editor and more.

    “There was obviously that whole letter to the editor, which was a response, then there were a lot of nasty messages on Twitter and Facebook,” he said.

    MacLeod said people called him negative names and one compared him to Vice President Mike Pence. Another wrote that his work would be in a manifesto for a school shooter.

    But on the flip side, “there was actually more positives than negatives,” he said.

    A lot of people told him, “Finally, somebody said it,” he said.

    “A lot of kids were surprised that somebody [was willing to actually say it]. I found out that mostly, even if they didn’t like what I said, they still liked that I said it anyway.”

    Asked why he thinks masculinity is under attack, he said it’s an attack on individualism.

    “Masculinity is the application of four traits. Courage, mastery, honor and strength,” MacLeod said. “It’s under attack because all those things are inherently individualistic, and they go against a lot of what is being preached nowadays, which is fearfulness, sensitiveness, timidity, and it’s the exact opposite of what’s being pushed right now.”

    And he’s pushing back — even in class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    I pretty much skipped to the end, but that I agree with.

    Schools are very much stomping on assertive individuality, turning thumbs down on such values as individual achievement, initiative, hard work and reward, in favor of things like teamwork, collaboration, and sharing, etc.
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    The entire concept is wrong. There are no groups of people who are "toxic" simply because of their skin or genitals. The traits we value like strength, hard work, initiative, etc. are also valued in women although they can expressed in different ways.

    Feminine emotional traits like nurturing, being expressive, and being interested in and sometimes more comfortable in group settings are valuable for other women (and children or adults in a vulnerable state) but they aren't more valuable than stoicism, independent thoughts and actions, and compartmentalization.

    All of that has its place just not in everybody all the time in every circumstance.

    The idea that men would be better men if they were just more like women is false. Years ago, psychology had the idea that adults would be better adults if they were just more like children. That was also false.

    Children make great children. Women make great women. Men make great men.
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    From the article:

    “Because it’s used so much that the term no longer has any objective meaning.

    Tis the lefts way of doing things.

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    I find the concept of “toxic masculinity” absurd. But I also find the concept of “alpha male” absurd so I’ll skip the rest of what this douchebag has to say.
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    Here are some things that maybe we can all agree on.

    Thing #1: Personal traits can be good up to a point and bad if taken too far. For example, ambition can make a person get out of bed early, work hard, seek extra training, put in extra hours, and concentrate on being successful. All of that is good. But ambition can also make a person neglect their family, undercut their coworkers, cheat, and fake their performance metrics. So ambition is good to a point, and bad beyond a point.

    Thing #2: Toxicity is often a matter of intensity. For example, your body needs iron to be healthy. If you don't get enough iron in your diet, you will be anemic. But if you get too much iron, the iron becomes toxic. You can die from iron overdose.

    Thing #3: When a person considers something always bad in all amounts, they usually don't append the modifier "toxic" in front of it. When a warning goes out that there is lead in the drinking water, it's sufficient to say "There is lead in the drinking water." A person could say, "There is toxic lead in the drinking water" but since lead is always toxic, that is redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Schools are very much stomping on assertive individuality, turning thumbs down on such values as individual achievement, initiative, hard work and reward, in favor of things like teamwork, collaboration, and sharing, etc.
    Much easier to teach that way. Students become all-alike conforming robots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    Here are some things that maybe we can all agree on.

    Thing #1: Personal traits can be good up to a point and bad if taken too far. For example, ambition can make a person get out of bed early, work hard, seek extra training, put in extra hours, and concentrate on being successful. All of that is good. But ambition can also make a person neglect their family, undercut their coworkers, cheat, and fake their performance metrics. So ambition is good to a point, and bad beyond a point.

    Thing #2: Toxicity is often a matter of intensity. For example, your body needs iron to be healthy. If you don't get enough iron in your diet, you will be anemic. But if you get too much iron, the iron becomes toxic. You can die from iron overdose.

    Thing #3: When a person considers something always bad in all amounts, they usually don't append the modifier "toxic" in front of it. When a warning goes out that there is lead in the drinking water, it's sufficient to say "There is lead in the drinking water." A person could say, "There is toxic lead in the drinking water" but since lead is always toxic, that is redundant.
    That's all fine and dandy, but the "toxic masculinity" monicker gets applied to anyone who exhibits any vaguely masculine trait, and you still run around and call everyone who does not sufficiently hate Trump a white supremacist, so your post here is ultimately meaningless.
    Leftists have unquestionably demonstrated their hatred for due process, and Democrats have undeniably obstructed justice for, and thoroughly victim-shamed and smeared, Karen Monahan.

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    What do you expect from a nazi fascist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    What do you expect from a nazi fascist?
    Pretty much what you give.
    Leftists have unquestionably demonstrated their hatred for due process, and Democrats have undeniably obstructed justice for, and thoroughly victim-shamed and smeared, Karen Monahan.

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