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    Agreement reached between Mexico and US averting tariffs

    CBS:
    Trump says U.S. and Mexico reach last-minute deal to avoid tariffs
    President Trump tweeted late Friday that a deal had been signed with Mexico to avoid tariffs that were set to start Monday. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo more formally announced the agreement shortly thereafter.

    The announcement avoids what economists and Republicans feared would be damaging to the U.S. economy. According to Mexico's foreign minister, the agreement calls for Mexico to deploy its national guard throughout the country, as well as allow migrants to wait in Mexico while their asylum claims are adjudicated. The agreement also calls for Mexico to offer jobs, health care and education.
    The agreement leaves open the possibility that the deal could be altered if progress is not considered sufficient. "Both parties also agree that, in the event the measures adopted do not have the expected results, they will take further actions," the agreement says.

    Under the agreement, the U.S. will also "immediately" expand its Migrant Protection Protocols, also known as the remain-in-Mexico policy, which was started at the end of January. Individuals who are trying to come to the U.S. to seek asylum are to be returned to Mexico to wait for their asylum claims to be heard in court. Mexico says that it will offer jobs, healthcare and education to the asylum-seekers.
    USA Today:
    Trump: agreement reached with Mexico over Central American migrants, tariffs 'indefinitely suspended'
    ...Mexico Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard in a tweet confirmed the agreement. In a separate tweet, he thanked all who supported Mexico through its negotiations with the United States.

    Mexican Ambassador Martha Bárcena also wrote in a tweet translated into English: After several days of negotiations and 12 hours today in the State Department, we reached an agreement with the United States to address the humanitarian crisis stemming from the recent migratory flows that have affected our two countries.

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in a statement said the joint obligations that the U.S. and Mexico negotiated will benefit both countries.
    The State Department Friday evening released broad guidelines of the agreement between Mexico and the United States.

    Mexico has agreed to deploy its national guard throughout Mexico, in particular to its Southern border, which borders Guatemala, according to details of the agreement released by the State Department. In addition, Mexico has agreed to take "decisive action to dismantle human smuggling and trafficking organizations as well as their illicit financial and transportation networks."
    At the moment it seems unmentioned but obvious that this is a positive achievement for the president. We'll porbably have to wait until Sunday to get the full blast response from the left as to why this is the worst possible thing since sliced bread.

    CNBC gives us a hint, maybe, in its news headline:
    Trump is playing a risky game by weaponizing US economic power with tariffs

    Here, Fred Kempe writes that the "unprecedented weaponization of tariffs" by the president made us wet our pants, and that's just unfair. Or words to that effect.

    The online front page of the WaPost pairs the headline, U.S. and Mexico reach deal, averting tariffs, Trump says, with U.S. Hiring slows sharply as trade war starts to bite, which sports the subhead, Perspective: It's time to start worrying about the economy. This second piece was published moments after the Mexico deal was announced:
    ...The hiring fizzle comes as Trump has faced off in trade negotiations with some of the country’s largest trading partners. The president announced late Friday that he is suspending a plan to put a 5 percent tariff on Mexican exports after his administration struck a deal with Mexico to stem illegal migration.

    Still, Trump is bargaining with the Chinese over a trade deal that would lift big tariffs each country has imposed on the other. Trump is set to meet with Chinese President Xi Jingping at the end of the month to finalize those negotiations. And other trade fights loom.

    The lackluster hiring report is not the only piece of data suggesting alarm about the economy.
    "Still" was a hard word to write, no doubt.

    So a "trade war," and "unprecedented weaponization" it is? Certainly not hard bargaining.

    Not for nothing, the biggest losers at the moment are the Republican wafflers. I expect Democrats to criticize sunrise and sunset during a Republican administration, but the GOP should show more backbone.

    So far only the right wing press holds out possible benefits of this agreement. Breitbart, for example:

    Trump Deal with Mexico Likely Ends Catch-and-Release, Defunds Cartels
    ...Ending catch-and-release is a huge win for Americans and Trump because it means border officials now have a legal alternative to the catch-and-release rules which allow migrants to legally enter the United States if they bring children and claim asylum.

    Those catch-and-release rules set by Congress and the courts also allow the migrants to get work permits before their asylum court hearings, which are now backlogged for two or more years.

    Instead of catch-and-release, the migrants can be returned to Mexico until their asylum claims can be heard by a judge.
    Surely there's a judge somewhere who can put a stop to this! What about the "right to migrate"?

    Mexico’s agreement to offer jobs and healthcare to the migrants will weaken lawsuits by pro-migration U.S. groups that oppose the deal.

    In exchange, the U.S will also work with Mexico to spur regional economic development.

    Mexico also promised to step up police enforcement against the cartels’ labor trafficking from Central America into the United States...
    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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    Cynically wondering how much American taxpayers will have to pay for the care and feeding of these "migrants" in Mexico.

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    Mexico Withholds Identities of Migrant Caravan Funders in U.S., Britain
    Mexican authorities are not releasing the names of the 26 individuals and entities whose assets were frozen as part of a new probe into migrant caravans and cartel-linked human smuggling organizations. The investigation was moved into high gear this week as tensions between the U.S. and Mexico escalated over tariff threats as a punitive measure for lax immigration enforcement.

    On Thursday, Mexico’s Finance and Tax Secretariat (SHCP) announced the seizure of 26 accounts, including some from the United Kingdom and the U.S., which allegedly helped fund the northbound migrant caravans largely from Central America. Diplomatic sources consulted by Breitbart News revealed the probe is personally led by UIF Director Santiago Nieto Castillo, who directly briefs Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.
    The SHCP’s Financial Intelligence Unit (UIF) tracked suspicious transactions beginning in October 2018 to determine the sources of funding for the caravans. The results reportedly pointed to some monies coming from the U.S., U.K., African nations, and throughout Central America. Diplomatic sources revealed the investigation is still developing since the case was prioritized Monday as tensions over tariffs escalated.
    Freezing these assets was doubtless part of the negotiations ahead of the agreement yesterday.

    I'd like to see those financiers exposed, especially those in the U.S.

    (I suspect a fair amount of the U.S. money is from expatriates looking to help relatives or countrymen get here.)
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    Tariffs are by nature "weapons", I mean, that's the entire point. They either level an unfair playing field of some kind or they punish another country in an effort to get the country do/not do something that affects national interests.

    Some tariffs are absurdly idiotic (sugar comes to mind) but most of them are legitimate tools of statecraft used all around the world including throughout the much admired "socialist" Nordic countries.

    It's difficult to discern what impact the threat of tariffs on Mexico had or has on job growth without analyzing individual employment sectors and that's only if you trust whatever the baseline projections were before this happened and have hard data now which nobody can have for another quarter, if then.

    It appears the threat worked at least as well any threats or levers work in Mexico. We'll have to see what Mexico does. It's a complicated situation because Mexico is completely corrupt and a lot of people are making money off illegal U.S. entry as well as a lot of people making money off remittance money which is propping up some areas economically both in Mexico and now south of there. There are substantial payoffs for all of this.

    On the other hand, the growing middle class of Mexico is fed up with both their own illegal alien problem and with the general lawlessness and government corruption.

    There would probably be support for cracking down on these transients since they are sucking up resources and creating filth and chaos in some communities. White liberals sometimes assume that all Hispanics are in some sort of club. They aren't. Mexicans have no real affection for Colombians or Ecuadorans or Brazilians, for that matter.

    When Mexico had the "lock" on illegal immigration to the U.S., they pretty much defended their own borders to the south with guns and mean dogs. This newer incursion of fat women and little kids assisted by wealthy American and European backers was a response to PC concerns and they let it ride.

    It doesn't appear to be working out for them so we'll see what they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Tariffs are by nature "weapons", I mean, that's the entire point. They either level an unfair playing field of some kind or they punish another country in an effort to get the country do/not do something that affects national interests.

    Some tariffs are absurdly idiotic (sugar comes to mind) but most of them are legitimate tools of statecraft used all around the world including throughout the much admired "socialist" Nordic countries.

    It's difficult to discern what impact the threat of tariffs on Mexico had or has on job growth without analyzing individual employment sectors and that's only if you trust whatever the baseline projections were before this happened and have hard data now which nobody can have for another quarter, if then.

    It appears the threat worked at least as well any threats or levers work in Mexico. We'll have to see what Mexico does. It's a complicated situation because Mexico is completely corrupt and a lot of people are making money off illegal U.S. entry as well as a lot of people making money off remittance money which is propping up some areas economically both in Mexico and now south of there. There are substantial payoffs for all of this.

    On the other hand, the growing middle class of Mexico is fed up with both their own illegal alien problem and with the general lawlessness and government corruption.

    There would probably be support for cracking down on these transients since they are sucking up resources and creating filth and chaos in some communities. White liberals sometimes assume that all Hispanics are in some sort of club. They aren't. Mexicans have no real affection for Colombians or Ecuadorans or Brazilians, for that matter.

    When Mexico had the "lock" on illegal immigration to the U.S., they pretty much defended their own borders to the south with guns and mean dogs. This newer incursion of fat women and little kids assisted by wealthy American and European backers was a response to PC concerns and they let it ride.

    It doesn't appear to be working out for them so we'll see what they do.
    My general impression is that with total opposition to anything from Congress, and constant disruption by evangelical federal judges, the President is left with about one tool in the box, tariffs.

    Of course they say if all you've got is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. And maybe that's so. Trump is being called "tariff happy" (and a whole lot worse) by critics, but we should be happy, sez me, that tariffs have worked as well as they have.

    I wonder what sort of bargain with Mexico the President may have managed if he weren't second-guessed by Depends-clad Republicans, and if leading Democrats could hold off for a week on calling him a "dictator" who should be handcuffed and jailed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    I wonder what sort of bargain with Mexico the President may have managed if he weren't second-guessed by Depends-clad Republicans, and if leading Democrats could hold off for a week on calling him a "dictator" who should be handcuffed and jailed.
    Maybe, maybe, their invective paints him as such an ogre that foreign negotiators are braced for the worst. So when he shows up relatively human they fall over themselves happy to have caught him on a good day.
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    We'll just have to see how this plays out. We've extracted many "promises" from Mexico over the years which have never been enforced. Mexico typically acts like a spoiled child who cries and makes abject apologies when caught and then does the same exact bad act the minute adult attention is turned away.

    Will this be different? I don't know. Maybe.

    Some things might be changing. Legal U.S. Hispanics and working class blacks are becoming more aware that they are directly competing against illegal aliens and they don't like it. Middle class Mexicans are seeing the problems that homeless vagrants generate in terms of crime, resource allocation, and medical issues and they don't like that.

    A precious few elite types are waking up slightly. Conditions south of the border will never change as long as the few ambitious and risk-taking citizens always escape.

    We'll just have to see what happens if Mexico reneges as it always has previously. Trump doesn't seem like a Bush/Clinton type to me but even Reagan fell down on the job after the amnesty.
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    Right on schedule, from the comics page of the NYTimes: "This is old news, folks. Move along..." But the best line is maybe eight paragraphs in.

    Mexico Agreed to Take Border Actions Months Before Trump Announced Tariff Deal

    Muchael Shear and Maggie Haberman.
    The deal to avert tariffs that President Trump announced with great fanfare on Friday night consists largely of actions that Mexico had already promised to take in prior discussions with the United States over the past several months, according to officials from both countries who are familiar with the negotiations.
    I don't know Mr. Shear, but Ms Haberman is always worth a good chuckle. Last year she shared the Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting with several others for heart-pounding, relentless coverage of RussiaRussiaRussia.



    So I don't know who was the clever one with this "report," but one of them presumably penned the best line of the day, a stand-alone paragraph:

    After nine days of uncertainty, Mr. Trump backed down and accepted Mexico’s promises.



    Now, sure enough, they mention much later on in these 1500 words that yeah, well, maybe Mexico wasn't exactly rushing to think about starting to consider beginning to do anything.

    But never mind that. Trump bad.

    One more Pulitzer Prize coming right up, Maggie!
    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Right on schedule, from the comics page of the NYTimes: "This is old news, folks. Move along..." But the best line is maybe eight paragraphs in.

    Mexico Agreed to Take Border Actions Months Before Trump Announced Tariff Deal

    Muchael Shear and Maggie Haberman.


    I don't know Mr. Shear, but Ms Haberman is always worth a good chuckle. Last year she shared the Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting with several others for heart-pounding, relentless coverage of RussiaRussiaRussia.



    So I don't know who was the clever one with this "report," but one of them presumably penned the best line of the day, a stand-alone paragraph:

    After nine days of uncertainty, Mr. Trump backed down and accepted Mexico’s promises.



    Now, sure enough, they mention much later on in these 1500 words that yeah, well, maybe Mexico wasn't exactly rushing to think about starting to consider beginning to do anything.

    But never mind that. Trump bad.

    One more Pulitzer Prize coming right up, Maggie!
    The Donald didn't enjoy Maggie and Michael very much, it appears.

    Trump Rampages Over NYT Story On Mexico Tariffs: ‘They Are Truly The Enemy of the People!’

    Caleb Howe.
    President Donald Trump opened up a whole thread of rage on Twitter Sunday in response to the devastating New York Times report, published Saturday, that Mexico’s concessions were not a result of pressure from tariffs but rather months of preparation. The random caps rant accused the Times of being fake news and disputed the premise of the story, if not any of the actual facts.

    The Times reported that the deal which Trump announced on Friday “consists largely of actions that Mexico had already promised to take in prior discussions with the United States over the past several months,” and that it was not in the main reached because Mexico was responding to the tariff threat.

    Trump was enraged on Twitter on Sunday and unleashed a threaded tirade. He began by pointing out that the Times was correct that such border actions had been something the U.S. was trying to get from Mexico for a long time. He said that for many years “Mexico was not being cooperative on the Border,” but that now he has “full confidence” that they will “be very cooperative” going forward.

    He said that one thing not mentioned in “yesterday press release,” presumably referring to Friday’s announcement, didn’t include one item “in particular” that was agreed upon but not announced yet.

    He then said that the New York Times will do anything to see the country “fail” and added the Enemy of the People line as his closer.

    It was not a specific dispute of any point, except to confirm that items agreed to had been on the table for months, as the report indicated.


    The Old Gray Lady didn't enjoy being called on the carpet.





    If the NYT is going to berate the president in its "reporting," it should brace itself to be berated in turn.
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    From the Shear/Haberman essay. It's always fun to swap in Obama's name and see if the paragraph is conceivable:
    It was unclear whether Mr. Trump believed that the agreement truly represented new and broader concessions, or whether the president understood the limits of the deal but accepted it as a face-saving way to escape from the political and economic consequences of imposing tariffs on Mexico, which he began threatening less than two weeks ago.
    Another example, which wouldn't pass a third grade facts-or-opinion test for reportage:
    Mr. Trump’s decision to use trade as a bludgeon against Mexico was driven in part by his obsession with stopping what he falsely calls an invasion of the country and in part by a desire to satisfy his core supporters, many of who have grown angry at his inability to build his promised border wall.
    The Paper of Record got its greatly diminished reputation the old fashioned way. They earned it.
    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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