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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    What power? I'm just talking to people here. You can tell because I posted it here.
    Preach on then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    It's cute that you guys have support ribbons for Dear Leader. It's too bad you vapor locked on me calling Dear Leader a philanderer (he is, you know) and had to settle on closing your argument with a selection from Adam's shallow bag of intemperate adjectives. I mean, there's another way you could've gone.

    Yes, Trump is the head of the federal government executive branch. And, yes, he has used his Twitter account in that capacity. And yes, when POTUS speaks of freedom of speech (however randomly capitalized) the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution is going to loom large in that context. But, you could have argued that, in addition to being POTUS, Trump is also a Twitter star. He's got a shit ton of followers. He could be issuing a warning to Twitter not as a POTUS, but as a Twitter celeb. He could be saying "Watch out, Twitter, because I could always close this account and post my shit on Gab."

    He wouldn't do that in reality, but you could make a plausible argument. More plausible than "that's absurd" at any rate. He wouldn't do that in reality because it's a risk he wouldn't take. If Twitter called his bluff, then he'd have to shed all those followers or else admit he was bluffing. So he's not going to leverage his Twitter celebrity. To put it in terms the derpservatives might appreciate, he needs Twitter more than they need him.
    Whatever this incoherent babble is about, the simple fact is that you got caught with your pants down yet again trying to accuse Trump of not knowing what he was talking about when it's plenty clear that you're just too damned narrow-minded and hate-filled to see it any other way.

    The simplest, most logical explanation for sane people is that if Trump were speaking (incorrectly) of specifically the First Amendment, he would have said so if for no other reason than that it's shorter to type out: "1st Am." or "#1A" are quite common on twitter for specifying the First Amendment. Instead, he took the time to write out the phrase "freedom of speech." That makes it abundantly clear to anyone not afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome that he meant the broader concept of free speech and not the First Amendment in exclusivity.



    But, you just continue to sit around and whine and moan in your hatred while you reach into your diaper to find the next outrage du jour.
    Leftists have unquestionably demonstrated their hatred for due process, and Democrats have undeniably obstructed justice for, and thoroughly victim-shamed and smeared, Karen Monahan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    Whatever this incoherent babble is about, the simple fact is that you got caught with your pants down yet again trying to accuse Trump of not knowing what he was talking about when it's plenty clear that you're just too damned narrow-minded and hate-filled to see it any other way.

    The simplest, most logical explanation for sane people is that if Trump were speaking (incorrectly) of specifically the First Amendment, he would have said so if for no other reason than that it's shorter to type out: "1st Am." or "#1A" are quite common on twitter for specifying the First Amendment. Instead, he took the time to write out the phrase "freedom of speech." That makes it abundantly clear to anyone not afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome that he meant the broader concept of free speech and not the First Amendment in exclusivity.



    But, you just continue to sit around and whine and moan in your hatred while you reach into your diaper to find the next outrage du jour.
    Other than wish respect so the government, in what context is the term "Freedom of Speech" correctly applied?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post


    But, you just continue to sit around and whine and moan in your hatred while you reach into your diaper to find the next outrage du jour.
    He is a member of a cult. Hard to think clearly at times it seems.
    If it pays, it stays

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djharkavy View Post
    Other than wish respect so the government, in what context is the term "Freedom of Speech" correctly applied?
    It's applied right here at NEIP. There is no government oversight of NEIP (other than legal stuff like illegal transactions or kiddie porn), but your freedom of speech is very intentionally held in high regard. There is, for all practical purposes, no censorship of anyone here, and that's quite on purpose. Go compare that to, say, DU.
    Leftists have unquestionably demonstrated their hatred for due process, and Democrats have undeniably obstructed justice for, and thoroughly victim-shamed and smeared, Karen Monahan.

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    Probably not a first amendment reference. Probably some alternate "FREEDOM OF SPEECH!" concept that we AMERICAN CITIZENS enjoy in the United States of America that is in no way connected to any guiding document of the U.S. government.



    Well that's a little confusing isn't it? What does July 4th have to do with the alternative non-governmental "Freedom of Speech" concept?
    Last edited by Norm dePlume; Wednesday, June 12th, 2019 at 10:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    It's applied right here at NEIP. There is no government oversight of NEIP (other than legal stuff like illegal transactions or kiddie porn), but your freedom of speech is very intentionally held in high regard. There is, for all practical purposes, no censorship of anyone here, and that's quite on purpose. Go compare that to, say, DU.
    That is not freedom of speech. That is a policy decision. Speech here is limited by whatever you, as admin, decides it to be.

    Just as it is at DU, Twitter and in the workplace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    Trump sweetened up his Mexico deal with a secret part.
    Trump’s secret deal with Mexico was news to them
    [NY Post, June 10.]

    President Trump announced Monday that his administration has inked a secret agreement with Mexico on immigration enforcement that will be unveiled in the “not too distant future.”

    But the revelation stumped Mexican Foreign Secretary Marcelo Ebrard, who said he wasn’t aware of any such deal.

    “We have fully signed and documented another very important part of the Immigration and Security deal with Mexico, one that the U.S. has been asking about getting for many years,” Trump wrote on Twitter.

    “It will be revealed in the not too distant future and will need a vote by Mexico’s Legislative body!”

    But Trump warned that if there is a problem and the “approval is not forthcoming,” tariffs against Mexican imports will be *imposed.

    The Trump administration has been prodding Mexico to enter into a “safe third country” agreement, which would deem Mexico a safe place for migrants and make it more difficult for migrants from Central America to pass through the country and claim asylum at the US border.

    [More from the cited report] But the deal announced last Friday made no mention of that issue.

    Mexico insisted it has not agreed to the safe third country provision, and confirmed, as Trump said, that it would require approval from local lawmakers.

    “They wanted something else totally different … to be signed,” Ebrard said of the Trump administration at a news conference in Mexico City. “But that is what there is here. There is no other thing beyond what I have just explained.”

    Mexico has resisted such a designation, though a US official claimed Mexico has expressed an openness to the idea behind closed doors and discussions will continue in the coming months.
    Apparently so.

    Mexico Releases Terms of Migration Deal With Trump
    WSJ, June 14.

    Mexico released the side agreement made with the U.S. that outlines additional measures it would take if it fails to stem a surge in migration from Central America to the U.S., including becoming a “safe third country.”

    The supplementary agreement signed June 7 between the two countries shows that Mexico will require migrants fleeing their homelands through Mexico to seek asylum there. Mexico agreed to examine domestic laws and regulations to identify necessary changes to implement the side agreement.

    The provisions included in the side agreement released Friday call for “burden-sharing and the assignment of responsibility for processing refugee claims” from migrants, part of a regional approach to tackling a rise in Central American migration to the U.S.

    Mexico has long opposed any calls to designate itself as a “safe third country,” saying it lacks the necessary resources.

    Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard, who led Mexico’s negotiating team, said early this week that Mexico would discuss U.S. demands that refugees setting foot in its territory request asylum in Mexico, but he didn’t make it clear Mexico had already agreed to those demands.

    The supplementary agreement shows that the “safe third country” designation is a key element of the deal that averted a threat of punitive U.S. tariffs on Mexican imports. Its disclosure came after President Trump tweeted Monday that the two countries had “fully signed and documented another very important part of the Immigration and Security deal with Mexico” that would require a vote by Mexican lawmakers.

    Under the terms of the side agreement, if the U.S. determines “at its discretion and after consultation with Mexico” after 45 days that the measures adopted by Mexico haven't sufficiently achieved results in addressing the flow of migrants to the U.S. southern border, “Mexico will take all necessary steps under domestic law to bring the agreement into force.”

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    "Couse Mexico can't and won't keep aNY TERMS OF ANY 'AGREEMENT" WITHOUT $$$$$$$ from the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Apparently so.

    Mexico Releases Terms of Migration Deal With Trump
    WSJ, June 14.

    Mexico released the side agreement made with the U.S. that outlines additional measures it would take if it fails to stem a surge in migration from Central America to the U.S., including becoming a “safe third country.”

    The supplementary agreement signed June 7 between the two countries shows that Mexico will require migrants fleeing their homelands through Mexico to seek asylum there. Mexico agreed to examine domestic laws and regulations to identify necessary changes to implement the side agreement.

    The provisions included in the side agreement released Friday call for “burden-sharing and the assignment of responsibility for processing refugee claims” from migrants, part of a regional approach to tackling a rise in Central American migration to the U.S.
    They are overstating the commitment. In that agreement, Mexico has only committed to beginning discussions.


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