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    Robertsís Rules of Misrepresentation

    Robertsís Rules of Misrepresentation

    The chief justice has enshrined bad-faith argumentation as the legal strategy most likely to succeed at the Supreme Court


    Chief Justice John Roberts would like the Trump administration to stop leaving a paper trail.

    Conservatives were outraged Thursday when Roberts joined the Courtís Democratic appointees in at least temporarily blocking the addition of a citizenship question to the U.S. Census because the Commerce Department had plainly lied about the purpose of that change. Roberts did not argue that a citizenship question was unconstitutional, merely that the administration had violated administrative law by misleading the public about its decision.

    Yet even Robertsís opinion was deeply strained. The chief justice clearly wanted to side with the Trump administration, writing that ďwe do not hold that the agency decision here was substantively invalid,Ē but that the law ďcalls for an explanation for agency actionĒ rather than the false explanation provided. Only the administrationís foolishness in documenting its own blatant dishonesty prevented it from prevailing. Indeed, Roberts was the lone member of the Courtís conservative wing to conclude that the law prevented the federal government from lying to the public about decisions affecting millions of people, insisting that the Administrative Procedure Act ďis meant to ensure that agencies offer genuine justifications for important decisions, reasons that can be scrutinized by courts and the interested public.Ē It is good that Roberts is drawing the line somewhere, but upon closer scrutiny that line appears to be very thin one.

    Together with his decision upholding the Trump administrationís travel ban and Thursdayís decision blessing partisan gerrymandering, Roberts has illustrated the path forward for those Republicans who seek to diminish the power of nonwhite voters and maintain power even as they earn fewer and fewer actual votes. Robertsís red line is not state dishonesty or flagrant discrimination: Rather, he is willing to countenance both as long as the Trump administration does not produce a paper trail documenting the fact that it is lying. His four fellow conservative justices, on the other hand, are as willing to consume Trump-style ostentatious dishonesty as ravenously as any dribbling sycophant on Fox News.
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    Trumpism insists that his supporters not only accept obvious falsehoods, but also that they express umbrage at the very suggestion of dishonesty, even when documented proof to the contrary existsóand that for his critics to refuse to accept his lies is an act of unacceptable incivility. This is now also the moral philosophy of four justices on the Supreme Court.

    Fucking, ouch!
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    Similarly, Robertsís decision in the political gerrymandering case, in which he concluded that settling political gerrymandering decisions was a question outside the Courtís authority, offers a way forward for Republicans seeking to weaken the political power of black and Latino voters in order to maintain their own dominance. Republicans can simply argue that they are drawing congressional districts to discriminate against Democrats, rather than against voters of color per se. As long as they arenít foolish enough to document an intention to explicitly discriminate against voters of color, Roberts will be on their side.

    We've had this discussion here. Texas' current governor, while he was the Attorney General, made that very argument in court: we were screwing Democrats, not minorities; it's just that fucking over minorities is the easiest way to do that.
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    I'm not going to waste time reading something from someone who can't even figure out how to punctuate, but conservatives were not "outraged" at all. Some were incredulous, maybe (Ben Shapiro comes to mind), but there certainly was no "outrage" or anything like it.
    Leftists have unquestionably demonstrated their hatred for due process, and Democrats have undeniably obstructed justice for, and thoroughly victim-shamed and smeared, Karen Monahan.

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    Rich Zeoli on ĎThe Mark Levin Showí: ĎAnother John Roberts Selloutí in SCOTUS Citizenship Case

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    Regarding the punctuation, there is nothing wrong with Roberts's Rules in the title.

    Possession And Names

    ...

    For names that end in an s or z sound, though, you can either add -'s or just an apostrophe. Going with -'s is the more common choice:

    the car that belongs to Jones → Jones's car or Jones' car

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    Regarding the punctuation, there is nothing wrong with Roberts's Rules in the title.
    I remember looking into this, using the NYT style book, as I recall. The deciding factor is how you pronounce the word. So a hat belonging to Thomas would be Thomas's hat, but the one Moses owns is Moses' hat.

    It's a style book, not a written-in-stone book, but it works pretty well. By that guide it would be Roberts' Rules.
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    Moses is a special case for another reason.

    Special Rules for Classical Names

    But there are a few exceptions. For classical and biblical names with two or more syllables ending in s or es, you usually just add an apostrophe. If the name is only one syllable, add -'s.

    Socrates' students

    Ramses' kingdom

    Amos' prophecy

    Zeus's warnings

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    This page quotes the New York Times style manual:

    The Chicago Manual of Style once recommended a single apostrophe to form the possessive of Biblical or classical names:

    Mosesí tent
    Achillesí helmet
    Jesusí name

    Some guides still recommend this usage, but CMOS has changed its policy in a spirit of consistency; now it recommends that all proper names ending in -s form their possessive by adding ís:

    Mosesís tent
    Achillesís helmet
    Jesusís name
    Travisís friends
    Dickensís novels
    Descartesís philosophy
    FranÁoisís efforts
    Tacitusís Histories
    Kansasís legislature
    Euripidesís tragedies
    the Gangesís source

    Equally consistent, the Associated Press Style Book opts for a single apostrophe for all proper names ending in -s:

    Mosesí tent
    Achillesí helmet
    Jesusí name
    Travisí friends
    Dickensí novels
    Descartesí philosophy
    FranÁoisí efforts
    Tacitusí Histories
    Kansasí legislature
    Euripidesí tragedies
    the Gangesí source

    The New York Times style manual generally agrees with CMOS, but adds this wrinkle:

    Omit the s after the apostrophe when a word ends in two sibilant soundsÖseparated only by a vowel sound: Kansasí Governor; Texasí population; Mosesí behalfÖ But when a name ends with a sibilant letter that is silent, keep the possessive s: ArkansasísÖ
    Roberts only has the one sibilant sound.

    On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heartís desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
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    Good link, though it's a bundle of rules and a bunch of either-ways (Jones's car or Jones' car), I'll stick with the simple idea, write what you say.

    Funny, it's a throwback a few centuries to when English spelling in general was much more idiosyncratic. Dictionaries probably changed that.

    Edit to add: of the style books you cited above, I'd bet the AP prevails, mostly because it uses less ink, and doesn't require thinking.
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