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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Marva View Post
    No more than any person is entitled to medical services. Find a different provider. Medical professionals can provide as they like. Unless maybe they work in an ER and have to stop bleeding.
    Don't think any individual taxpayer can decline medicare services paid for by Medicare automatic payroll deductions.
    I believe you're being reluctant to admit what a "positive right" is.

    As Obama made famous, our Constitutional rights are "negative rights," all about what the government canNOT do. "Positive rights" are what is being promoted here. Maybe it sounds nicer to call it a "human right."

    As in, you have a "human right" to health care. That is, you are entitled to receive "health care." And, of course, you're entitled regardless of ability to pay. Which means, simply, somebody else will pay and somebody will provide the "health care."

    A "positive right" entitles you to someone else's property.

    Property includes services, of course, as well as material. It becomes the job of government to enforce that "right," and that's where the compassion of leftist policies like "democratic socialism" turn to the authoritarian poverty machines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    As in, you have a "human right" to health care. That is, you are entitled to receive "health care." And, of course, you're entitled regardless of ability to pay. Which means, simply, somebody else will pay and somebody will provide the "health care."
    To a certain extent. In an ER. Not necessarily in a doctor's office if insurance is not accepted.
    Unless a provider is into charity work, maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Marva View Post
    To a certain extent. In an ER. Not necessarily in a doctor's office if insurance is not accepted.
    Unless a provider is into charity work, maybe.
    A private enterprise can carry a relatively small amount of "charity work," certainly.

    In the ER, as you suggest, where it's often treat first, worry about money later; pro bono work in a law firm; a ten percent tithe at a church; Medicare for the oldsters.

    I don't here such limitations on the campaign planks being propounded just now. I hear "Medicare for all." Guaranteed jobs, guaranteed living wage, guaranteed housing, etc. for all.

    As Bernie Sanders might say, "You have a Yuman Right to a free lunch!"

    Free lunch for all!

    It sure beats Huey Long's "Chicken in every pot," don't you think?
    “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff, explaining the Green New Deal for the hard of hearing.

    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Medicare for the oldsters.


    Free lunch for all!

    It sure beats Huey Long's "Chicken in every pot," don't you think?
    Let's be clear. Medicare is not "free". Somebody pays for that "free" Part A. They're called taxpayers. Nevermind how much the rest of Medicare costs an individual.

    Dunno. Leastwise that chicken would be edible. But only one? Won't go very far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Marva View Post
    Let's be clear. Medicare is not "free". Somebody pays for that "free" Part A. They're called taxpayers. Nevermind how much the rest of Medicare costs an individual.

    Dunno. Leastwise that chicken would be edible. But only one? Won't go very far.
    Charity is not free.

    What we want and what we can afford is in constant conflict. That's always tough, but the real danger is when we presume to decide what someone else can afford.

    If they can give 10% to charity, why not 12%? That 2% extra can make such a huge difference to this need or that. Why not 70%? Who's to say that's not "their fair share"? There's only so much you can eat, or so big a house you can have, as President Obama told us. Think of the good we could accomplish if we were able to manage that level of resources.

    It fascinates me how mentally agile we can be, how doggedly we defy the gravity of history and reason, to justify what we want so badly to be possible.

    Declaring what we want (the demand of supply & demand) to be what we are entitled to have (a positive right) gives us license to take it.

    It's a fantasy that economic laws can be suspended without consequence, that constraints are merely the product of greed-driven "capitalism," that what we need is to re-order our economic priorities, etc. (real Christians would, dontcha know), and last and always, that problems are the fault of selfish and corrupt opponents, traitors really.

    It's the sure ticket to destroy freedom and prosperity, but it sure looks good going in.
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    “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff, explaining the Green New Deal for the hard of hearing.

    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Charity is not free.

    What we want and what we can afford is in constant conflict. That's always tough, but the real danger is when we presume to decide what someone else can afford.

    If they can give 10% to charity, why not 12%? That 2% extra can make such a huge difference to this need or that. Why not 70%? Who's to say that's not "their fair share"? There's only so much you can eat, or so big a house you can have, as President Obama told us. Think of the good we could accomplish if we were able to manage that level of resources.

    It fascinates me how mentally agile we can be, how doggedly we defy the gravity of history and reason, to justify what we want so badly to be possible.

    Declaring what we want (the demand of supply & demand) to be what we are entitled to have (a positive right) gives us license to take it.

    It's a fantasy that economic laws can be suspended without consequence, that constraints are merely the product of greed-driven "capitalism," that what we need is to re-order our economic priorities, etc. (real Christians would, dontcha know), and last and always, that problems are the fault of selfish and corrupt opponents, traitors really.

    It's the sure ticket to destroy freedom and prosperity, but it sure looks good going in.


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    [QUOTE=Newman;182775]Charity is not free.[quote] Agree. Somebody is paying. Possibly even the recipient who doesn't acknowledge it.
    as President Obama told us. Think of the good we could accomplish if we were able to manage that level of resources.
    Spouted the Obama who just bought himself a multi-million dollar house by those "frightening" rising sea waters. No climate change problem for him!

    Certainly no money needed for charity from him in South Chicago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    It fascinates me how mentally agile we can be, how doggedly we defy the gravity of history and reason, to justify what we want so badly to be possible.
    Somebody should tell Canada, Norway, Japan, UK, Sweden, Finland, Slovenia, Italy, Portugal, Cyprus, Spain, Iceland, Kuwait, and UAE that what they've been doing for awhile now is impossible.

    On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
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