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    Quote Originally Posted by Michele View Post
    Sounds like a red line...

    https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/stat...621536771?s=19

    It's an empty threat.

    On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
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    https://twitter.com/RubenGallego/sta...866691072?s=19

    Our NATO ally did this.

    On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
    -H. L. Mencken

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    I'm going to assume you are fixated on me calling Erdogan Trump's BFF and not the part about him being an authoritarian leader. And I suppose anything short of pictures of the two of them holding hands and frolicking in a field of flowers will be unacceptable because you don't get hyperbole.
    So, just like Adam Schiff, the facts don't actually back up your hatred, so you just make shit up instead.

    Still, here's a good article that describes — in both Trump and Erdogan's actions and their words — the "close friendship" these two share.
    That's not an article. That's propaganda BS.

    Trump has a vested interest in the success of Erdogan because Trump has his name on properties in Turkey that generate millions in revenue for him. Getting in good with the hard right Erdogan is important to protect his brand, which was almost shut down.

    Erdogan has a vested interest in being buddy-buddy with Trump because Trump overlooks a lot of the nation's human rights issues and just allowed the Turks to wipe out their Kurdish enemies.
    That's just absurd. You are only showing that you know literally nothing about how international business is done.

    Do you seriously think that Trump hangs his business dealings in a country upon that country's leader? Honestly? Genuinely? Have you given this any thought at all? Have you taken off the hate-colored glasses and considered this through any other perspective?
    Leftists have unquestionably demonstrated their hatred for due process, and Democrats have undeniably obstructed justice for, and thoroughly victim-shamed and smeared, Karen Monahan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    So, just like Adam Schiff, the facts don't actually back up your hatred, so you just make shit up instead.

    That's not an article. That's propaganda BS.


    That's just absurd. You are only showing that you know literally nothing about how international business is done.

    Do you seriously think that Trump hangs his business dealings in a country upon that country's leader? Honestly? Genuinely? Have you given this any thought at all? Have you taken off the hate-colored glasses and considered this through any other perspective?
    Prove me wrong with your boundless logic and links to sites you trust, instead of forcing me to wipe down my now spittle-flecked face.
    You can't spell "hatred" without "red hat".

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    On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
    -H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Prove me wrong with your boundless logic and links to sites you trust, instead of forcing me to wipe down my now spittle-flecked face.
    That's not how any of this works. At all.

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    You are the one who made the baseless accusation that Trump is "BFF" with Edrogan. That means that it's up to you to prove your accusation, not up to me to disprove it, Francis. To date, you have failed to prove your accusation, and instead made every possible attempt to evade doing so.


    So what this proves, beyond question, is that you were just flat-out lying from the start. The fact that you so spectacularly showed your ignorance of international business by claiming that Trump somehow "needs" Erdrogan to keep his hotels in business in Turkey demonstrates beyond any and all question that there is nothing but your blinding hatred in play here.

    Tell us all: how does, say, Hilton stay in business in Turkey? The Six Continents Group? InterContinental? Are they all BFFs of the country's leader? Wouldn't that put them instead in competition with Trump for Erdogan's loving embrace? Would not a brutal dictator who loves Trump not have already told all competing marques to GTFO by now, if they were so close?

    It's long-past time for you hate-filled lunatics to sit down and STFU with your hatred. You lost and you're pissed that you didn't get your socialist utopia where every day is vacation. We get that. Time to pull up your big-girl panties and be a grown-up and get a fucking job like the rest of us.
    Leftists have unquestionably demonstrated their hatred for due process, and Democrats have undeniably obstructed justice for, and thoroughly victim-shamed and smeared, Karen Monahan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    That's not how any of this works. At all.
    Well, yeah, this is how it works. I provided a link to a story which you summarily dismissed as propaganda without explaining the how's or why's you came to that conclusion. At this point, it's on you to prove that the story I linked to was in any way factually incorrect.

    And once again because clearly you don't read or understand nuance, I said BFF was hyperbole. Although they are close friends.

    It wasn't that long ago that the Iyi Party was threatening to seize the building with Trump's name on it because of the sanctions that the US had been imposing on the country.

    Trump has business interests in Turkey, and Ivanka has visited the country multiple times on business trips. Turkish government officials have stayed in Trump property hotels more than any other nation. Trump himself has even admitted he has a conflict of interest with with Turkish relations.

    But go on and froth at the mouth some more, so you don't have to confront that Trump's actions are going to result in a genocide of Kurds because of his "gut feeling". And go on and blather about some other unrelated nonsense to distract us from the fact that hundreds upon hundreds of US troops are now caught between two warring nations with no easy ways to extract themselves or the high value ISIS targets they'd been holding.

    Go on, spin this in such a way that this isn't a tremendous disaster for everyone involved.
    You can't spell "hatred" without "red hat".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo
    Also, the cries of "it's just a few soldiers"? You guys can blow it out your ass with that nonsense. It's over 1,000, which with today's technology is enough to win a war.
    That's not only false, it's terribly dangerous for anyone to think that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo
    This isn't some minor deployment.
    Correct, the contingent that was pulled out is smaller than minor deployments. About 2500 Marines are regularly deployed in MEU s(Marine Expeditionary Units) that are considered minor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo
    This isn't the the Ardennes Counteroffensive where we need 600,000 troops on the ground. This is modern warfare.
    Non-sequitur
    "What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer."

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    Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post

    https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/stat...621536771?s=19

    It's an empty threat.
    Like your president before him?
    May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
    Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
    And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
    may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Well, yeah, this is how it works.
    No, it's not.

    You have yet to provide anything to back your assertion that Trump and Erdogan are "BFFs." That's your #1 task and you've failed miserably. You've failed miserably because YOU LIED.

    And you have yet to explain how literally every other major US-based hotel chain manages to operate in Turkey without being BFFs with Erdogan. That's because you have utterly no concept of what international business involves, nor do any of the people in your links.
    Leftists have unquestionably demonstrated their hatred for due process, and Democrats have undeniably obstructed justice for, and thoroughly victim-shamed and smeared, Karen Monahan.

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