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    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    Are you saying without government talk radio would not exist?
    Yes. Absolutely.

    Without licensing the the broadcast spectrum, I suppose your neighbor might decide to cobble together some equipment and you could listen to him tell you comfortable lies but that’s hardly the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    So how would government action make the situation any better?
    It might not.

    But when you have a small handful of people controlling the flow of information, you simply do not have freedom of speech, regardless how open-minded or Solomonic those people may be.

    It's much like Brown v. Bd. of Ed.: With separate you do not have equal.

    That declaration was absurd on the face of it, in the view of many people. Separate has nothing to do with equality! But empirically the verdict was in.

    Maybe the social media corporations will look more like regulated utilities. I don't know. I do know regulation opens a can of worms, and it's a remedy that must be used extremely sparingly.

    Liberals believe, they say, that stopping climate change is a cause urgent enough to justify overwhelming regulatory authority right now, to keep the world from ending in about 11 years.

    Conservatives like me want to keep such regulation at bay, so that in about 12 years we can point out that the world didn't end, without getting arrested.

    That doesn't mean that there's no proper place for regulations, for "trust-busting," however, and I think the social media giants are a case in point.
    • “Weakness is refusing to take responsibility for your own actions, weakness is pointing your finger at someone else in a time of crisis." — Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, blaming Trump.
    • "We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the, you know, you know, the thing." —Joe Biden, explaining the Creator.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Jingo View Post
    Yes. Absolutely.

    Without licensing the the broadcast spectrum, I suppose your neighbor might decide to cobble together some equipment and you could listen to him tell you comfortable lies but that’s hardly the same.
    If you could even make that out over then din of noise from all the remote controls and key fobs and wifi operating in an unregulated RF spectrum.
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    Jingo said: "Yes. Absolutely.

    Without licensing the the broadcast spectrum, I suppose your neighbor might decide to cobble together some equipment and you could listen to him tell you comfortable lies but that’s hardly the same."

    Isn't that the reason we know who Wolfman Jack was?
    When the New Deal was established it exempted agricultural and domestic workers. A clothing boxer earned $10/week minimum and a cleaning woman or laundress full time was $2/wk. This brief time is our cultural memory of a more genteel middle class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Isn't that the reason we know who Wolfman Jack was?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Jingo
    Yes. Absolutely.

    Without licensing the the broadcast spectrum, I suppose your neighbor might decide to cobble together some equipment and you could listen to him tell you comfortable lies but that’s hardly the same.
    I'm not going to argue that government regulation of the RF spectrum is bad, but to say without it there would be absolutely no talk radio is incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    If you could even make that out over then din of noise from all the remote controls and key fobs and wifi operating in an unregulated RF spectrum.
    What makes you think government is the only way to accomplish this?
    "What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer."

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    "You didn't build that" all over again.

    Modern liberals have not only turned the word "liberal" on its head, but with this beguiling sophistry they'd deny credit to individual initiative, foremost, and give rent seeking new life in their ideology.

    It's not as if this is unknown in ordinary life. Elvis Presley (through his agent) famously took song writer credit (and a cut of the composer royalties) on the theory that without Elvis, the song would not have earned significant royalties at all.

    How many bosses and academics have stolen credit for the intellectual work of subordinates, on the theory that without their benevolence, in the form maybe of salary, tutelage or mentoring, the product would not have existed?

    So humans organize society to survive, basically. Government's primary tasks are protection and order. Classical liberalism helped produce the concept of individual liberty and intrinsic value that unleashed a wealth creating engine unimagined by even the most egotistical, rent-seeking government leaders of all history.

    Modern liberalism is so estranged from the old liberalism we give it new names like progressivism. They mock that wealth-generating engine, so-called capitalism, and demonize its signal feature, the successful individual (the greedy rich, the "1%").

    Progressives cannot create wealth. They propound malarkey such as this:

    Pelosi: Unemployment Checks Fastest Way to Create Jobs
    July, 2010.

    So when progressives, modern liberals, say "you didn't build that," the truth is, they didn't either.

    They don't have a clue. They might as well have a degree in economics from Boston University.
    • “Weakness is refusing to take responsibility for your own actions, weakness is pointing your finger at someone else in a time of crisis." — Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, blaming Trump.
    • "We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the, you know, you know, the thing." —Joe Biden, explaining the Creator.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    It might not.

    But when you have a small handful of people controlling the flow of information, you simply do not have freedom of speech, regardless how open-minded or Solomonic those people may be.

    It's much like Brown v. Bd. of Ed.: With separate you do not have equal.

    That declaration was absurd on the face of it, in the view of many people. Separate has nothing to do with equality! But empirically the verdict was in.

    Maybe the social media corporations will look more like regulated utilities. I don't know. I do know regulation opens a can of worms, and it's a remedy that must be used extremely sparingly.

    Liberals believe, they say, that stopping climate change is a cause urgent enough to justify overwhelming regulatory authority right now, to keep the world from ending in about 11 years.

    Conservatives like me want to keep such regulation at bay, so that in about 12 years we can point out that the world didn't end, without getting arrested.

    That doesn't mean that there's no proper place for regulations, for "trust-busting," however, and I think the social media giants are a case in point.
    Well, you all used to say about liberal talk radio, if it were any good, it would be as successful as conservative talk radio. If there were a market for right-wing social media, I suppose the market wouldn't be in the hands of left-wing (your judgment) social media. The remedy for bad speech is more speech. There are plenty of wealthy righties who could start their own social media. Of course, they can't force anyone to use it....
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    The new 13 original states to stand up for freedom: CA, CT, IA, MA, DE, MN, NH, NY, RI, VT, ME, MD, NJ (plus DC).

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    What makes you think government is the only way to accomplish this?
    Show me a place that has no government where RF spectrum is neatly organized.

    Or, alternately, explain to me why a person with a profitable business selling wireless gadgets that interfere with AM radio receivers would voluntarily pay to redesign his product so as to avoid interfering. Your neighbor has a toy RC car that he drives around in the street and it absolutely overwhelms the local radio station. He doesn't care, because he doesn't listen to radio while he's playing with his toy. So why would he go to any trouble to purchase a toy that doesn't interfere? Because you're so friendly and engaging?

    Or, even better, in the next block is a guy setting up his own radio station. He got a good deal on a transmitter, but it happens to be the same frequency as another station you like to listen to. But since this guy is just a block away, his signal overwhelms the other one. Why should he bother changing his transmitter? He's got just as much right to that frequency as the other station. Let them change their transmitter if they don't like it.

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