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Thread: Trump to Sign Order Targeting Anti-Semitism on College Campuses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramps View Post
    Welcome back Daveman.
    Yep! Good to see you buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    Norm, you're one step closer to being a full on Nazi. Does it offend you that you can't just be an open anti-semite?

    Don't worry, you can freely still criticize policy on government funded college campuses (why is that a concern for you anyway, aren't you like 50?). But you can't call Jews all those fun things you leftists like to call them without consequences. It's about time.

    Government funding always comes with strings. Remember when you made that point regarding federally funded healthcare?
    scott is triggered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    scott is triggered.
    You created the thread and you questioned the E.O. (with Bok). It appears you and Bok are triggered.
    "What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    Norm, you're one step closer to being a full on Nazi. Does it offend you that you can't just be an open anti-semite?

    Don't worry, you can freely still criticize policy on government funded college campuses (why is that a concern for you anyway, aren't you like 50?). But you can't call Jews all those fun things you leftists like to call them without consequences. It's about time.

    Government funding always comes with strings. Remember when you made that point regarding federally funded healthcare?
    Actually, I don't think it's about calling names. I think it's about actively excluding anyone who's pro-Israel from campus organizations and activities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    Actually, I don't think it's about calling names. I think it's about actively excluding anyone who's pro-Israel from campus organizations and activities.
    Interesting.


    So do you support the Executive Order?
    "What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    You created the thread and you questioned the E.O. (with Bok). It appears you and Bok are triggered.
    Starting a thread doesn't make a person triggered. In your right mind, you would know that. You're the one who went Godwin for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveman View Post
    "...essentially replicating bipartisan legislation that has stalled on Capitol Hill for years. Prominent Democrats have joined Republicans in promoting such a policy change at a time of rising tension on campuses over anti-Semitism as well as the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions or B.D.S. movement against Israel."

    Doesn't sound very unilateral to me.

    Meanwhile, colleges have not been very supportive of free speech...well, unless that speech echoes Official Approved Liberal Opinions.

    Any publicly-funded institution that violates the First Amendment rights of people attending should not receive public funding.
    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Jingo View Post
    He signed an Executive Order. That is pretty much the definition of unilateral.

    *Trigger warning*

    I'll be using a dictionary.


    Definition of unilateral

    1a : done or undertaken by one person or party
    Well, Daveman, it's "unilateral" in the same way that moving the embassy to Jerusalem was unilateral.

    The Ds and Rs had routinely supported the move, but somehow presidents of both parties never got around to it.

    Trump simply acted.

    Time and again we see the D.C. establishment, which in this instance certainly includes the State Department bureaucracy, pose on various issues, with no serious intention of ever acting. Trump has been either naive enough, or wily enough, to call their bluff.

    See under "Repeal & Replace."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    One guy taking unilateral action to limit free speech on campus by the force of the United States government. So, if someone says that Israel should not be expanding settlements in occupied territories, are they "denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination"?
    From the NYT:
    Opponents of the definition fear that it could be used to declare any defense of Palestinian autonomy to be anti-Semitic, with federal education funding as a cudgel.
    Considering the Mein Kampf-like declarations of Palestinian representative like the PLO and Hamas, defending them is problematic, except for the NYT.

    But that's hardly surprising.

    In the order, Trump is expected to tell the Department of Education to consider the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of anti-Semitism — which can include criticism of Israel — when evaluating discrimination complaints under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
    -Market Watch.

    On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to:
    Adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism:
    “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
    -Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.
    Quote Originally Posted by IHRA
    To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:

    Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

    Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
    • Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
    • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
    • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
    • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
    • Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
    • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
    • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
    • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
    • Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
    • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
    • Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
    From the Jewish Press:
    A White House official told several media outlets that the executive order was needed in response to the appalling rise in the number of on-campus anti-Semitic incidents. The White House expects that Jewish students who have been persecuted and discriminated against for their religion will now enjoy the same protection as African-American students.

    The Guardian on Wednesday cited free-speech advocates who are concerned that widening the definition of anti-Semitism would be used to limit criticism of the Israeli government. This reporter [David Israel] suggests that as long as criticism of Israel does not involve blatant lies about “apartheid” and the systematic murder of thousands of Palestinian children, free speech is safe.
    Simply put, the political left is saturated with antisemitism, and as the left has risen to dominance in the Democratic Party, the antisemitism has been emboldened and increasingly overt.

    This is an effort to push back, as the current vernacular would have it.
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    I am worried this will make things worse for Jews because one of the reasons they've been so hated over the centuries is the false idea that they're a different nationality and not the country they live in.

    I can understand Trump's concern though because there's advocating for Palestinian rights and then there's putting a Star of David = Swastika sign. The hate is real.

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