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    My alma mater Oberlin College has made itself exhibit A in Bad Scapegoating (BS). The College exploited the harassment of a local business family for no discernible good reason. For their trouble they lost a lawsuit to the family, and now owe them on the order of thirty million. They're still fighting it, dontcha know, but I'm hopeful the judgment sticks, or even, as is possible, gets jacked higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daveman View Post
    Then they should start trying to either support their students' civil rights, or trying to figure out how they can replace their Federal funding.

    Does Hamas have scholarship programs?
    No, but the Saudis do. Guess where?
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    He signed it today. Here's the text of it:

    Executive Order on Combating Anti-Semitism

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

    Section 1. Policy. My Administration is committed to combating the rise of anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic incidents in the United States and around the world. Anti-Semitic incidents have increased since 2013, and students, in particular, continue to face anti Semitic harassment in schools and on university and college campuses.

    Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI), 42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq., prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities receiving Federal financial assistance. While Title VI does not cover discrimination based on religion, individuals who face discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin do not lose protection under Title VI for also being a member of a group that shares common religious practices. Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual’s race, color, or national origin.

    It shall be the policy of the executive branch to enforce Title VI against prohibited forms of discrimination rooted in anti-Semitism as vigorously as against all other forms of discrimination prohibited by Title VI.

    Sec. 2. Ensuring Robust Enforcement of Title VI. (a) In enforcing Title VI, and identifying evidence of discrimination based on race, color, or national origin, all executive departments and agencies (agencies) charged with enforcing Title VI shall consider the following:

    (i) the non-legally binding working definition of anti Semitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which states, “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities”; and

    (ii) the “Contemporary Examples of Anti-Semitism” identified by the IHRA, to the extent that any examples might be useful as evidence of discriminatory intent.

    (b) In considering the materials described in subsections (a)(i) and (a)(ii) of this section, agencies shall not diminish or infringe upon any right protected under Federal law or under the First Amendment. As with all other Title VI complaints, the inquiry into whether a particular act constitutes discrimination prohibited by Title VI will require a detailed analysis of the allegations.

    Sec. 3. Additional Authorities Prohibiting Anti-Semitic Discrimination. Within 120 days of the date of this order, the head of each agency charged with enforcing Title VI shall submit a report to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy, identifying additional nondiscrimination authorities within its enforcement authority with respect to which the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism could be considered.

    Sec. 4. Rule of Construction. Nothing in this order shall be construed to alter the evidentiary requirements pursuant to which an agency makes a determination that conduct, including harassment, amounts to actionable discrimination, or to diminish or infringe upon the rights protected under any other provision of law.

    Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

    (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

    (ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

    (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

    (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

    DONALD J. TRUMP

    THE WHITE HOUSE,
    December 11, 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    Haven't read it. Possibly, as long as it's otherwise a legal use of power. Not gonna research that right now. I'm definitely in favor of the colleges changing the culture of exclusion.
    Thank you. I agree.
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    From the NYT article:
    The order will effectively interpret Judaism as a nationality, not just a religion, to trigger a federal law penalizing colleges and universities deemed to be shirking their responsibility to foster an open climate for minority students, according to the officials, who insisted on anonymity to discuss the matter before the announcement.
    I don't see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    From the NYT article:


    I don't see that.
    I don't either. In fact, I thought the EO as quoted in your post clearly stated the distinction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    From the NYT article:
    The order will effectively interpret Judaism as a nationality, not just a religion, to trigger a federal law penalizing colleges and universities deemed to be shirking their responsibility to foster an open climate for minority students, according to the officials, who insisted on anonymity to discuss the matter before the announcement.
    I don't see that.
    It's a very interesting dance, there. The NYT is reducing this longer explication in the original text of the EO you posted, but if the fit seems awkward, it's equally true that the definition Jews apply to themselves is awkward, a blend of ethnicity and faith. Or not. The idea that they form a nationality is at best a vague reflection of God-assigned destiny. Thus Joseph in Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat sings, "The people of Israel are never alone," and thus Jews at Passover ritualistically say, "Next year in Jerusalem."

    Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI), 42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq., prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities receiving Federal financial assistance.
    The challenge is to make antisemitism fit that rubric. First question, what is a Jew? The child of a Jewish mother, is the tautological answer. In the effort (I applaud) to stand against antisemitism, Jewishness must be defined somehow to fit under race, color or nationality.
    While Title VI does not cover discrimination based on religion, individuals who face discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin do not lose protection under Title VI for also being a member of a group that shares common religious practices. Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual’s race, color, or national origin.
    The NYT chose to emphasize nationality, but I don't know any Jews who define themselves as Israelis. Israelites, maybe, going back to the tribes of the Pentateuch, but I haven't heard that in many years, firsthand.

    It looks to me like Trump is making a very loose argument, aptly spun from the very fluid definition Jews have of their own definition. Every person is of some color, race or nationality, and so they deserve protection against discrimination. If one aspect of their self-definition if religion, discrimination against that religion can be treated as if it were against race, color or national origin.

    I wonder if opening wide such a door invites unintended consequences down the road. We'll find out, I imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    From the NYT article:


    I don't see that.
    Nor I. In fact, I don't see where it does anything other than say that anti-semitism is bad and should not be allowed if we can figure out how to stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djharkavy View Post
    Nor I. In fact, I don't see where it does anything other than say that anti-semitism is bad and should not be allowed if we can figure out how to stop it.
    About right. They're trying to hammer an oddly shaped peg into a triangular hole.
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    • "We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the, you know, you know, the thing." —Joe Biden, explaining the Creator.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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