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    Opinion: Your electric car and vegetarian diet are pointless virtue signaling in the fight against climate change

    Opinion: Your electric car and vegetarian diet are pointless virtue signaling in the fight against climate change

    MALMÖ, Sweden (Project Syndicate) — Switch to energy-efficient light bulbs, wash your clothes in cold water, eat less meat, recycle more, and buy an electric car: We are being bombarded with instructions from climate campaigners, environmentalists and the media about the everyday steps we all must take to tackle climate change.

    Unfortunately, these appeals trivialize the challenge of global warming, and divert our attention from the huge technological and policy changes that are needed to combat it.

    For example, the British nature-documentary presenter and environmental campaigner David Attenborough was once asked what he as an individual would do to fight climate change. He promised to unplug his phone charger when it wasn’t in use.

    Attenborough’s heart is no doubt in the right place. But even if he consistently unplugs his charger for a year, the resulting reduction in carbon-dioxide emissions will be equivalent to less than one-half of one-thousandth of the average person’s annual CO2 emissions in the United Kingdom. Moreover, charging accounts for less than 1% of a phone’s energy needs; the other 99% is required to manufacture the handset and operate data centers and cell towers. Almost everywhere, these processes are heavily reliant on fossil fuels.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/yo...nge-2019-12-26

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    The one individual action that citizens could take that would make a difference would be to demand a vast increase in spending on green-energy research and development, so that these energy sources eventually become cheap enough to outcompete fossil fuels. That is the real way to help fight climate change.
    That there is your nuclear power, friend.
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    You cannot calculate the full cost of nuclear power until you have a functioning permanent waste disposal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    You cannot calculate the full cost of nuclear power until you have a functioning permanent waste disposal.
    You can't really calculate the downstream costs of anything invented in the past 200 years. You can have an educated guess for stuff before that in many but not all cases.

    Most really revolutionary inventions/developments have more or less come out of left field and often because of a creative repurposing of the original function. We have no reason to believe that process would not apply to this problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    You cannot calculate the full cost of nuclear power until you have a functioning permanent waste disposal.
    That's true. Fortunately, the French have been making leaps and bunds in reprocessing nuclear waste. Unfortunately, France will cease to exist in 37 years, give or take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    You can't really calculate the downstream costs of anything invented in the past 200 years. You can have an educated guess for stuff before that in many but not all cases.

    Most really revolutionary inventions/developments have more or less come out of left field and often because of a creative repurposing of the original function. We have no reason to believe that process would not apply to this problem.
    Cost calculations for every other energy source include disposal of waste product (as well as construct, maintenance, and decommissioning). Nuclear alone is unable to include disposal cost, so it's never an apples to apples cost comparison.

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    MIT developed a process to remove CO2 from the air. Everything else is crap. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    Cost calculations for every other energy source include disposal of waste product (as well as construct, maintenance, and decommissioning). Nuclear alone is unable to include disposal cost, so it's never an apples to apples cost comparison.
    That actually isn't true since there are a very variety of energy sources in use in various settings. It's not all fixed industrial sites.

    People who use nuclear power have a great interest in making it continuously safer in all ways and they are doing that very thing. Knowledge and technological advances are being made at a rapid pace. There's no reason to believe that will stop.
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    Carless? Vegetarian?
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