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    Caution! New York registers illegal immigrants to vote

    I think they're merely playing catch-up to California, but the drive to get illegal immigrants voting has not diminished.

    The bill in question is the "New York Automatic Voter Registration Act of 2020."

    Automatic Voter Registration ("AVR") forms will be included with every application for government services, such as drivers licenses. The application attests by signing that he or she is eligible to vote.

    There is no penalty for false registration (if you mistakenly thought you were eligible), nor do I find anywhere a mechanism to check the eligibility of registrants.
    New safe harbor language has also been added to prohibit participating agencies from transferring applications from prospective voters who are demonstrably ineligible to vote. Prospective applicants are also provided a presumption of innocent authorized error where a person who is ineligible to vote applies to register to vote unwillingly or without knowledge of their ineligibility.
    I'm not sure how much I care anymore.

    It's not as if adding Democrats, legal or not, to the voter rolls is going to change much in New York. The Lost Empire State is bleeding residents, and will lose a couple of House seats next year. With a little accelerant maybe they'll lose three.

    For the longest time (from the days of Elliot Spitzer, Customer #9, at least), proponents would say the fear of deportation would keep illegal immigrants from registering and voting. But now that NY is a "sanctuary state," that inhibition has been set aside, and nothing is in its place.

    According to the Washington Times,
    At least 17 states and Washington, D.C., have started or have plans to implement a system in which residents are automatically registered to vote when they have contact with the state, typically at the state’s motor vehicle agency, unless they decline.
    AVR laws, open borders policies and sanctuary areas are in place for a reason.

    Last edited by Newman; Friday, January 10th, 2020 at 7:11 AM.
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    Suppressing the vote by making it easy

    In a related move, New York is lowering the pre-registration age to 16:

    How teenagers in New York can now pre-register to vote
    A new state law took effect last week allowing 16-year-olds to preregister to vote.

    The law lets those aged 16 and 17 fill out voter registration applications online or in person at a Board of Elections office or the Department of Motor Vehicles.

    They will then be automatically registered to vote when they turn 18, without needing a separate trip to the Board of Elections.

    “When young people are engaged from any early age they stay engaged," state Sen. David Carlucci, D-New City, who sponsored the legislation, said in a statement.

    "By eliminating barriers to register and increasing education, we are strengthening our democracy."
    I think Carlucci may be wrong, actually.

    I see that preregistration hasn't worked magic so far. Contrast the "spike" with the youth turnout:
    Voter turnout in New York has been low for decades.

    According to Census data, New York had the eighth-lowest turnout in the 2016 election, although it did spike in 2018.

    In 2014, less than 20% of young people voted in the midterm elections.

    Rock the Vote, a national nonprofit dedicated to turning out young voters, rates New York a "slacker" when it comes to voting access — better than a "blocker" but not as good as a "leader."

    “Other states have taken the lead on issues like early voting, same-day registration, pre-registration, and no-excuse absentee voting," Senate Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins, D-Yonkers, said at the signing.
    Other places have the same idea, which is probably a precursor to enfranchising 16-year-olds to vote anyway. ("I myself have always been for lowering the voting age to 16." - Nancy Pelosi.)
    New York already allowed pre-registration for 17-year-olds, but now joins 13 other states and the District of Columbia in lowering the age to 16.

    “There’s been an attempt in this country, all across this country, to make voting difficult," [Fredo's brother Andrew] Cuomo said last January. "They are trying to keep people from voting. We want to do the exact opposite.”
    Cuomo the Governor is wrong, too. There hasn't been an attempt all across this country to make voting difficult.

    And in particular, there hasn't been such an attempt in New York, the erstwhile progressive capital of the nation.

    But ironically, the youth turnout in NY stinks.

    In my humble opinion, making it too easy devalues the act. Who cares?

    Tell you what. Make voting registration automatic from birth. Why not?

    What could be wrong with that?

    Another option might be to let political volunteers vote for all those lazy people who should. "Harvesting," we could call it. And why not, again? Ward bosses at least from the days of Tammany Hall did the same thing.

    I left NY. So have a few others:
    California lost more than 200,000 people to other states and 180,000 people left New York state to live in other parts of the United States in 2019, according to new Census figures.
    Their roads are such a wreck I don't even want to drive our car around on them.

    It's time to stop worrying about them.
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    Shit like this is why we need the electoral college. If illegals vote, they won't upset the election for president. Another few million voters will still count the same when counting the electoral votes.

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    " harvestng"? Votes are pumpkin heads?

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    So, it sounds like the people who are being registered are documented if they have a state ID or are in the system (meaning it sounds like they're not here illegally). I do think you should have to be a US citizen to vote though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    So, it sounds like the people who are being registered are documented if they have a state ID or are in the system (meaning it sounds like they're not here illegally). I do think you should have to be a US citizen to vote though.
    Not the case AT ALL. States (including New York) are routinely issuing state ID to illegals under the rather ridiculous guise that this will allow those illegals to buy insurance, for example. Tennessee did this for several years in the '90s before people finally wised up and realized that this was a completely failed idea and none of these illegals were actually buying insurance.
    Leftists have unquestionably demonstrated their hatred for due process, and Democrats have undeniably obstructed justice for, and thoroughly victim-shamed and smeared, Karen Monahan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    Not the case AT ALL. States (including New York) are routinely issuing state ID to illegals under the rather ridiculous guise that this will allow those illegals to buy insurance, for example. Tennessee did this for several years in the '90s before people finally wised up and realized that this was a completely failed idea and none of these illegals were actually buying insurance.
    In NY the lines are still hours and hours long at the DMV because of the licenses for illegals law just in effect since mid-December. It's called the "Green Light" law.

    Long lines linger at DMV offices on Long Island
    Hurry up and wait. The lines at DMV locations in Nassau County are still long almost a month after New York State passed the Green Light Law, which allows undocumented immigrants to apply for a driver's license. The resulting delays and overcrowding are leading to frustration with some people.

    Over in Garden City, the line snaked along the outside of the office. Meanwhile, the lines were also long in Massapequa.

    But a couple of hours didn't sound that bad to others who made the trip from Queens where they said it was even busier.

    A spokesperson for the DMV said the agency has adjusted staffing and is encouraging customers, especially those needing a permit test, to make a reservation online.

    People looking to upgrade to the REAL ID-compliant license or the Enhanced license can also make an appointment. But advanced booking only works when the appointment times are honored.

    People applying for their license under the Green Light Law are still required to pay the regular fees, according to the DMV.
    Apparently drivers also have to get a "Real ID" license with a hologram and all that; but they have until next October to get that.

    The Green Light thing added people from a "new eligible demographic," as one Newsday article I read has it.

    All of these people will be registered to vote unless they "affirmatively decline," which sounds like an oxymoron and an unlikelihood to me.





    edit: I can't vouch for the absolute timeliness of these photos, but they're very much like the ones at the cite site.
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    All of these people will be registered to vote unless they "affirmatively decline," which sounds like an oxymoron and an unlikelihood to me.
    Since many f them can't speak English, much less read or write it. Oh, snap! Everything is in Spanish these days. One wonders if they are literate enough to read even that.

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