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    Quote Originally Posted by Djharkavy View Post
    Was it a question?
    Looks like we're stirring "birth tourism" with "anchor babies."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Looks like we're stirring "birth tourism" with "anchor babies."
    Even if true, does that preclude the baby's humanity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djharkavy View Post
    Even if true, does that preclude the baby's humanity?
    Will the baby be less human if its born in its parents country?

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    Duck, dodge, weave, avoid....

    Anything to avoid the astoundingly obvious challenge for data to back up the claim that anchor babies are born long after the mother wades across the Rio Grande.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    No. It's something else.

    One would hope that Mexico is doing more on their end both economically and in terms of enforcement but that's probably not it.

    Sadly.
    Maybe?


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    Better yet, I think you guys should prove that most kids of illegal immigrants were born right after the mom crossed the border. Mark, kids are human if born in other countries, but they're not treated like it once their parents cross them over. You don't put human beings in cages, especially kids.

    In any case.....

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...en-since-2007/

    Births to unauthorized immigrants in the U.S. generally rose throughout the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s but have declined since the start of the Great Recession about a decade ago, according to estimates based on data from the Census Bureau’s American Community Survey and its Current Population Survey.

    The number of babies born to unauthorized immigrant parents represented about 6% of the 4.0 million total births in the U.S. in 2016, compared with 9% of all births in 2007.

    While the Center’s new analysis provides estimates about the number and share of U.S.-born babies with unauthorized immigrant parents, it’s important to note that the legal status of immigrant parents can change over time. For example, parents who have legal permission to be in the U.S. at the time of their child’s birth might later overstay their visas or otherwise become unauthorized.
    That means kids are not necessarily being born as soon as they illegally cross the border.

    Overall, around 5 million U.S.-born children younger than 18 were living with at least one unauthorized immigrant parent in 2016, up from around 4.5 million in 2007, according to the new estimates.
    Wait? You mean they didn't all come here pregnant? Some of them came up here, had a relationship with or at least slept with an authorized immigrant or better yet an American. That means they couldn't just cross the border and pop out a baby.

    The number of U.S.-born adults living with an unauthorized immigrant parent has risen sharply in recent years as children born in the 1990s have come of age. Meanwhile, other estimates show that a rising share of their parents’ generation are long-term U.S. residents.
    And here Trump spoke about deporting these adults. Not only raised here, but born here. They know nothing about their parent's home country. They only know about their own.

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    No one here has made the argument that illegal aliens aren't human or that their children aren't human except you in some bizarre effort at projection.

    Our problem is that the people entering the country illegally are breaking our laws and they do absolutely know it. Some women do come here specifically to get an American birth certificate for their child and now those women have a number of options they wouldn't have if they didn't have an American child. Some illegal aliens are criminals or terrorists. More and more are coming in from Asia, Africa, and the Middle East and they aren't all coming here because they really like George Washington and rule of law.

    So, we can't evaluate illegal aliens the way we can with visa applicants. We can't keep illegal alien criminals out. We allow some illegal alien mothers to jump the line in visa applications because they broke our law in the first place. The porous border encourages gangs and predators to use it for human trafficking into the U.S.A. Once they are here they work with corrupt Americans to suppress wages for the working class. There's more, of course, such as the fact that the criminals prey on minority citizens and destroy their communities first.

    The "cages" are an imperfect solution to the complex problem of adults preying on children. I'm guessing you aren't for adults abusing children. I'm also guessing you don't expect an abused woman to somehow fight off men or even other women who want to use a child for something. I say "abused woman" because most women herded across the border by traffickers or coyotes are sexually and physically abused.

    Our best option is preventing as much of this access as possible, actively searching for and deporting illegal aliens, cracking down on expired visa holders, punishing Americans who knowingly employ illegal aliens or traffick them, and denying birthright citizenship to the children of illegal alien women who come here expressly to give birth.

    illegal alien women who give birth here years after crossing our borders will just have to go back and apply for a visa like everybody else. Whether they take their children with them or leave them with an American father is something they will have to work out. We can't solve every problem.

    By being compassionate and generous in this area we are screwing over other people (kids, people being trafficked, people who would have had jobs or better wages in a tighter labor market, crime victims, teachers and American parents, hospitals, tax payers, etc.).

    There is no uniformly perfect answer to this problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    No one here has made the argument that illegal aliens aren't human or that their children aren't human except you in some bizarre effort at projection.
    Although Lanie did NOT say this, I'm so tired of hearing "No human is illegal," or some variation. It's not clever, it's a lie, as pernicious as the Charlottesville lie ("there are good neo-Nazis. . . .").

    A close second, which Lanie DID write, is, "You don't put human beings in cages, especially kids." It's an extremely misleading, emotional appeal. It's as false as the infamous photos of AOC sobbing in white beside a parking lot at the border.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Although Lanie did NOT say this, I'm so tired of hearing "No human is illegal," or some variation. It's not clever, it's a lie ...
    Where's the lie? How is a human's existence illegal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Although Lanie did NOT say this, I'm so tired of hearing "No human is illegal," or some variation. It's not clever, it's a lie, as pernicious as the Charlottesville lie ("there are good neo-Nazis. . . .").

    A close second, which Lanie DID write, is, "You don't put human beings in cages, especially kids." It's an extremely misleading, emotional appeal. It's as false as the infamous photos of AOC sobbing in white beside a parking lot at the border.
    Well, "illegal alien" is a term of art for legal purposes and widely used around the world. The Icelanders, Indians, and Thais are no more happy about immigration criminals than we are. Calling a spade a spade is common in most cultures and useful.

    We actually "cage" people pretty often for various reasons. Sometimes to prevent them from attacking or exploiting others, sometimes to prevent people from being attacked or exploited. The children of illegal aliens aren't wild animals. They haven't been plucked from their natural habitats by Americans. Their parents or traffickers do that.

    But once we find them, we have to protect them. Lanie won't like this but it's a commonplace practice understood by anyone who has looked after toddlers or chickens - you "lock" them up to prevent them from being injured or killed which we agree is more important at the moment than their emotional inclinations.

    Dead things don't have emotions. Badly injured things have them but they aren't good.

    A way to avoid all this is to immigrate legally.
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