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    This is how it works

    The market lifts wages.

    In our local Hate Trump newspaper this morning:

    Amazon making moves in Venice

    Laura Finaldi, Heral-Tribune.
    Amazon, the national e-commerce giant that’s changing the face of retail across the world, is opening a distribution center near Venice, Sarasota County records show.

    The company plans to build a 120,000-squarefoot warehouse on a parcel east of Commerce Drive and parallel to Jacaranda Boulevard, north of Interstate 75. . . .
    According to Amazon’s website, the company pays fulfillment center employees a minimum of $15 an hour for full-time, part-time, temporary and seasonal work.

    That pay scale is likely to create competition for talent in the area, Thomas said. Amazon will likely have to compete with nearby employers such as PGT Innovations and Tervis for qualified workers, she said.

    “It will probably put a stretch on an already stretched workforce. We’re sitting at about 3% unemployment. It’ll be a stretch for the area, and competition will be tougher. Don’t get me wrong, I like competition,” she said.

    Rogan Donelly, president and owner of Tervis, said that having Amazon in the area will be a good thing. Tervis is a longtime supplier for Amazon, and the drinkware company has seen a lot of growth working with it, Donelly said.

    “The more that we can build our area and build industry, the more reasons there are to attract talent for manufacturing and technology. If we can create those jobs, I feel comfortable that it will only bring more talented people to the area to fill those positions,” Donnelly said. “Especially with a strong brand like Amazon — people will learn this is a great place to live and a great place to have a family.”
    PGT makes glass, high impact glass such as the windows in our house, and so on. Tervis makes insulated plastic drinkware. Both are major employers in the area. I've known a number of people who work at each place.

    But the upward pressure on wages will ripple outward to other businesses, too, even convenience store workers.

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    I have mentioned before about the workers at my local grocer. They are getting younger and younger. Now, they are hiring handicapped people to work there.

    Levels of employment are so high, just finding someone to fill a job is getting difficult.

    When I opened my shop in 1991, I had a hell of a time finding people qualified enough to work there. When my manager hired a guy with less than the qualities we wanted, I asked him why he hired him. "He has a pulse", was his reply.

    Seems we are at that point again with our economy.

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    Amazon is hiring what amounts to entry-level jobs. Nothing at all wrong with that. The "talent" pool for most of those jobs consists of people who can follow direction and show up consistently while not impaired. Also nothing wrong with that.

    These types of jobs are attractive to people wanting part-time work and those who aren't particularly interested in forging a career ladder (although Amazon has a lot of paths for those who do want to move up).

    This is a big pool of people. People in various life transition stages, retired people, women with children looking for a part-time gig, people who have found themselves needing a short-term McJob before they do something else or move somewhere else, people who have just moved into an area and are looking to keep it together before doing something else, and others.

    As with any job, some won't be suited to the work and will leave or be fired. Some will love it. Most will use it for what it is.

    Amazon won't be draining electrical engineers and skilled masons out of the local talent pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Amazon is hiring what amounts to entry-level jobs. Nothing at all wrong with that. The "talent" pool for most of those jobs consists of people who can follow direction and show up consistently while not impaired. Also nothing wrong with that.

    These types of jobs are attractive to people wanting part-time work and those who aren't particularly interested in forging a career ladder (although Amazon has a lot of paths for those who do want to move up).

    This is a big pool of people. People in various life transition stages, retired people, women with children looking for a part-time gig, people who have found themselves needing a short-term McJob before they do something else or move somewhere else, people who have just moved into an area and are looking to keep it together before doing something else, and others.

    As with any job, some won't be suited to the work and will leave or be fired. Some will love it. Most will use it for what it is.

    Amazon won't be draining electrical engineers and skilled masons out of the local talent pool.
    No, and those higher wage jobs will be slower to respond to this pressure.

    What Mark describes above I call "the pains of full employment," I for one am happy for it, despite its tell-tale signature, a lower quality service. I figure that is temporary.

    I should mention that this new Amazon facility is in my zip code, and in fact the little inset map in the newspaper shows the development where we will be moving this summer (to a slightly larger house in a new development).

    And right below the inset map, you might see a job fair ad:



    Those medical workers don't compete directly with Amazon warehouse workers, but the good news for worker bees spreads around.
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    Some people have a real need to believe that all jobs should be careers and that all careers need to end in the equivalent of a corner office.

    For the vast majority of people, a job is a job and that includes all those admin positions. Being white collar and fiddling with electronic files all day doesn't necessarily add up to much. Ten years later almost no one will remember you worked there and what you did will be changed beyond recognition by new systems and demands.

    This isn't a downside, it's just a reality check. Most jobs are just jobs. You may (and hopefully do) get some satisfaction and self-confidence from performing to the best of your ability but you probably aren't changing the pivot of human knowledge in any way. And that's okay - almost nobody does that.

    When you are dying, you won't think about your job title or your government/corporate function. You'll think about your relatives and friends and pets. Nobody died thinking they wished they had pulled more hours or attended more meetings.
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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    Amazon has been great for Florida and Florida has been great for Amazon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Some people have a real need to believe that all jobs should be careers and that all careers need to end in the equivalent of a corner office.

    For the vast majority of people, a job is a job and that includes all those admin positions. Being white collar and fiddling with electronic files all day doesn't necessarily add up to much. Ten years later almost no one will remember you worked there and what you did will be changed beyond recognition by new systems and demands.

    This isn't a downside, it's just a reality check. Most jobs are just jobs. You may (and hopefully do) get some satisfaction and self-confidence from performing to the best of your ability but you probably aren't changing the pivot of human knowledge in any way. And that's okay - almost nobody does that.

    When you are dying, you won't think about your job title or your government/corporate function. You'll think about your relatives and friends and pets. Nobody died thinking they wished they had pulled more hours or attended more meetings.

    All the more apparent once you retired. Two of my career paths were very rewarding far beyond income. I was able to help some folks choose to improve their health. I was able to experience remote locations and cultures not fully open to many. Yet, now that I’m gone the system lives on just fine without me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    Amazon has been great for Florida and Florida has been great for Amazon.
    A few in New York with influence and poor judgment blew it.
    If it pays, it stays

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    From Frosty:

    All the more apparent once you retired. Two of my career paths were very rewarding far beyond income. I was able to help some folks choose to improve their health. I was able to experience remote locations and cultures not fully open to many. Yet, now that I’m gone the system lives on just fine without me.
    It's the way of the world. I spent zero time thinking of the hundreds or thousands of chemists and programmers, electrical engineers, technicians, glass makers, chemical manufacturers, optics developers, welders, linemen, or HVAC people and plumbers that made my job remotely possible.

    I'm glad they did and they were probably glad they did their part but sometimes a job is just a job.

    And that's perfectly fine.
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbit View Post
    A few in New York with influence and poor judgment blew it.
    Of course. On average Democrats are bad for business. Companies are starting to figure this out.
    "What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer."

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    Time will tell.

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