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    Security measures heightened as thousands head to Richmond for large gun rights rally

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    Stacks of chain-link fencing, white-covered tents and rows of metal detectors were in place Sunday night around Richmond's Capitol ahead of Monday's widely-publicized gun rights rally.

    Thousands of people from across the country are expected to attend the demonstration demanding state Democrats drop a push for comprehensive gun control in the commonwealth.
    Also seen Sunday roaming the Capitol grounds was Alex Jones, the conspiracy theorist being InfoWars.

    Members associated with the Light Foot Militia, some of whom were banned from Charlottesville, Va., following the deadly 2017 "Unite the Right" rally, are expected to attend Monday's rally. Richard Spencer, a prominent white nationalist, has also indicated he might make an appearance.

    Security concerns have also led to road closures as well as a ban on firearms in the Capitol and on its grounds.

    "A ban on guns at a gun rally... I've heard it all now," Martin said.

    An event memorializing victims of gun violence, and another honoring the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., were also canceled due to safety concerns. The Federal Aviation Administration has banned drones within a 2-mile radius of the Capitol and nearby students at VCU and the Medical College of Virginia have been encouraged to stay indoors.

    Virginia Citizens Defense League President Philip Van Cleave told Fox News it's not the pro-gun groups that are stoking fear.

    "It's the Democrats," he said. "It's almost like they want something to happen. It sounds crazy but they keep doing it and you have to start wondering if that's intentional."

    Cleave said membership in his organization has tripled in the past six weeks and that 10,000 people have signed up for free email alerts. He attributes the spike in popularity to Gov. Ralph Northam and Democrats in the state legislature. Van Cleave believes they have "declared war on gun owners" and is counting on gun-rights advocates to show up Monday to have their collective voices heard.

    "It's woken up gun owners across the state," he said.
    Last week, three gun-control bills advanced in the General Assembly, setting the stage for a contentious showdown between gun-rights advocates and the Democratic lawmakers who campaigned on bringing changes to the state following last year's mass shooting at a Virginia Beach municipal complex.

    The bills that sailed through the Senate Judiciary Committee would require background checks on all firearms purchases, allow law enforcement to temporarily remove guns from people deemed to be a risk to themselves or others, limit handgun purchases to one a month and let localities decide on whether to ban weapons from certain events. To become law, the bills would have to pass the full Senate and the House of Delegates before going to the governor for his signature.
    On Thursday, authorities announced the arrest of three men linked to the Base, a white extremist, anti-government group that has been tracked by the Federal Bureau of Investigations. The men, who obtained weapons and discussed going to the Richmond rally, were charged with a number of federal crimes in Maryland. A day later, law enforcement announced the arrest of at least four other men tied to the group.

    Northam later said the majority of those planning to attend Monday's rally had no interest in fanning the flames of hate but acknowledged there were still a few hellbent on it.


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    The next election in Virginia will be very interesting. We will see what the people actually want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    The next election in Virginia will be very interesting. We will see what the people actually want.

    Mark
    I hope there's considerable pull-back, though it's a useful object lesson to see just what progressive Democrats will do when they are in charge.

    But I doubt the state will turn red as a whole. Maybe next year, but that would be it. There are too many government associated workers in the northern part, and the efforts of Gov. McAuliffe and Gov. "Coon Man," the nickname Northam picked up in medical school for after-hours antics, have inflated the blue voter contingent a lot.
    "I was not elected to do small things or shy away from big problems.” —Donald Trump.

    "I think you called me a liar on national TV." —Elizabeth Warren. "Well, duh." —Bernie Sanders, shoulda said.

    "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.

    “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.

    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    The next election in Virginia will be very interesting. We will see what the people actually want.

    Mark
    Two different states. Northern "Yankees"/ gubmint dependent workers vs. actual southern southerners. Peoples divided.
    Sure seems like one of the safest places to be is at a gun-peoples rally.

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    The bills that sailed through the Senate Judiciary Committee would require background checks on all firearms purchases, allow law enforcement to temporarily remove guns from people deemed to be a risk to themselves or others, limit handgun purchases to one a month and let localities decide on whether to ban weapons from certain events.

    That’s it? The gun folk are losing their minds over that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    The next election in Virginia will be very interesting. We will see what the people actually want.

    Mark
    You assume Virginian voters are ignorant when a lot of them are not. A lot of them knew exactly what they wanted.

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    Bok,

    I agree. This really isn't that bad. You can buy a gun every 30 days and even more if you can convince people you're collecting for something special. Background checks when you sell from one person to the next unless they're getting their relative's gun after they die. No guns at special events such as Trump rallies where they say to leave the gun at home anyway.

    A lot of drama, but they have a right to protest. Right now, it appears to have remained peaceful, which is important.

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    Good people.


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    VA's proposed laws are a little more restrictive than that, Bawk. Not that I believe will make any difference to you.

    The following is a list of proposed laws that advocates of the Second Amendment find particularly egregious.

    One of the proposed laws receiving the most attention is Senate Bill 16, which will be sponsored by Virginia State Senator Dick Saslaw in the upcoming 2020 legislative session.

    Senate Bill 16 would make it illegal to sell or even possess of a number of firearms that are currently legal. Those in violation of this proposed law would be guilty of a felony.

    SB 16 would make any semi-automatic rifle with a fixed capacity of more than 10 rounds illegal. In addition, the possession of any center fire rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and that has a thumbhole stock, pistol grip or a second hand grip or a threaded barrel would also automatically become a felony.

    Any semi-automatic pistol with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds will also be illegal to own if this bill passes. If the pistol has the ability to accept a detachable magazine other restrictions apply, which include banning threaded barrels and prohibiting pistols weighing 50 ounces or more.

    Shotguns with the ability to accept detachable magazines or having a fixed capacity of over seven rounds would also become illegal to own.

    As a result, every rifle with the common AR-15 design and many pistols and shotguns that are currently in common use for personal defense and target shooting would be banned. Since they would be illegal to own, they would have to be either surrendered or seized by law enforcement authorities.

    Proposed Senate Bill 18 makes it illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to buy any firearm, as well as making it illegal under this age to own a handgun. This bill would also require background checks for gun sales between two private citizens, with an exemption for immediate family members.

    SB 18 makes it a felony to leave a loaded gun in such a manner as to endanger the life of any person under the age of 18. This bill would also make it a crime for any person to authorize a child under the age of 18 to use a firearm without the direct supervision of an adult.

    This would presumably make it a crime for children to defend themselves with firearms against intruders trying to break into their homes and do them harm.

    Senate Bill 64 states that a person is guilty of a felonious paramilitary activity if that person teaches or demonstrates the use or application of a firearm and has reason to know that such training will result in the furtherance of a civil disorder.

    This bill makes training people in the use of firearms potentially risky business, as any instructor could potentially be held responsible for his student’s misuse of a firearm. A court could theoretically determine the instructor “had reason to know” that person was going to commit a crime, even if his intentions were not openly stated.

    SB 64 also states that one or more persons with the intent to intimidate any person or group of persons by drilling or parading with a firearm will be guilty of a felony. The bill suggests a minimum fine of $50,000 for this offense as well as jail time.

    Senate Bill 22 would, with certain exemptions, disallow for the purchase of more than one handgun over a 30-day period.

    Senate Bill 51 would prohibit a person from carrying a concealed handgun onto the premises of any public space where alcoholic beverages have been approved for sale or where alcohol is being consumed.

    House Bill 9 would make it mandatory to report the theft of a firearm within 24 hours. Failure to do so would result in a potential fine of $250.

    This is an overview but not a complete account of some of the proposed gun laws that will be up for passage in the upcoming 2020 session of the General Assembly. There are more and more may well be introduced but these are of the most concern with Senate Bill 16 likely causing the most controversy for gun rights advocates.

    No new “red flag” laws allowing courts to seize firearms from law abiding individuals are currently on the docket. However, earlier in the year, Virginia governor Ralph Northam proposed a law which would allow the courts to seize guns from people whom a judge deems a threat to themselves or others.

    Many would contend that such a red flag law would strip a person of their Second Amendment rights without due process.
    “I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
    I aim with my eye.

    "I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
    I shoot with my mind.

    "I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
    I kill with my heart.”

    The Gunslinger Creed, Stephen King, The Dark Tower

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    Here's another attempt to punish Thoughtcrime:

    Virginia Bill Aims to Shut Down NRA Headquarters Range
    U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)- Virginia House Bill no. 567, prefiled on 6 January, 2020, and offered on 8 January, 2020, seems aimed particularly at the NRA headquarters range at 11250 Waples Mill Rd. in Fairfax, Virginia. HB 567 contains a number of provisions that single out the NRA HQ range from nearly all others. Here are the provisions of the bill:

    Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

    1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding in Article 3 of Chapter 12 of Title 18.2 a section numbered 18.2-511.2 as follows:

    § 18.2-511.2. Indoor shooting ranges; prohibited in private buildings; exceptions; penalty.

    A. As used in this section, “indoor shooting range” means any fully enclosed or indoor area or facility designed for the use of rifles, shotguns, pistols, silhouettes, skeet, trap, or black powder or any other similar sport shooting.

    B. It is unlawful to operate an indoor shooting range in any building not owned or leased by the Commonwealth or the federal government unless (i) fewer than 50 employees work in the building or (ii) (a) at least 90 percent of the users of the indoor shooting range are law-enforcement officers, as defined in § 9.1-101, or federal law-enforcement officers, (b) the indoor shooting range maintains a log of each user's name, phone number, address, and the law-enforcement agency where such user is employed, and (c) the indoor shooting range verifies each user's identity and address by requiring all users to present a government-issued photo-identification card.

    C. Any person that violates the provisions of this section is subject to a civil penalty of not less than $1,000 nor more than $100,000 for the initial violation and $5,000 per day for each day of violation thereafter.

    The NRA HQ range is located in the NRA HQ building in Fairfax, Virginia.

    It is indoors.
    It is privately owned.
    More than 50 employees work in the building.
    It is open to the public.
    Only one of the other indoor ranges found, in a quick survey of Virginia indoor ranges, were in buildings over two stories tall. The Colonial Shooting Acadamy, in Richmond, Virginia, is a three-story facility. It has a few more than 50 employees working in its building. It is the biggest indoor range in Virginia. The owners would like to expand and hire more employees. This bill would make expansion impossible. Large indoor urban ranges have been expanding across the country. The trend was arguably started with the Scottsdale Gun Club in Arizona.

    Full disclosure, Terry Schmidt is my second cousin. He and his wife Nadine conceived of the Scottsdale gun club and now own majority interests and manage the concern. Terry credits me with planting the seed of his lifelong fascination and career with firearms.

    Many small businesses have less than 50 employees to avoid burdensome federal regulations that apply to businesses that have over 50 employees. It is a large range, indeed, which would employ over 50 people in one building.

    The bill would likely face challenges under both the Virginia State Constitution and the federal Constitution under the Second Amendment.

    The Seventh Circuit has ruled the availability of gun ranges, to serve the public, is protected to some extent, by the Second Amendment.

    It seems unlikely the proposed Virginia law would meet the requirements to pass muster under the Second Amendment. What rationale would require the limitation of gun ranges to buildings that employ less than 50 people?

    But then, Democrats hate the Second Amendment.
    “I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
    I aim with my eye.

    "I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
    I shoot with my mind.

    "I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
    I kill with my heart.”

    The Gunslinger Creed, Stephen King, The Dark Tower

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