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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    Then why do some state get more electoral votes than others? Something about population, perhaps?

    Why bind the electoral votes to popular election results? That's not what the founders envisioned.
    Exactly. What state like Rhode Island would team up with a state like Virginia if major joint decisions were to be determined by a popular vote?

    As to your second question, it is NOT illegal for Electors to go rogue. Their political party may impose penalties, in my understanding, but they are private clubs.

    What's unconstitutional is a pact requiring electors to cancel their constituents' ballots.

    That is as diametrically opposed to any thought our Founders had in mind as anything I can imagine, including scotching the First and Second Amendments.

    It's back to the drawing board for the determined blue autocrats. Maybe make DC a state! as their license plates uniformly demand.

    Washington, DC could become the 51st state this summer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    You didn't answer the question, doofus.
    Yes he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    You know damn well that the founders didn't want the president to be elected by the majority of the people, but by the majority of the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    We have a winner!

    And I smack myself again for not remembering that.

    A popular vote for the president is not specified in the Constitution, and I believe a number of states early on did NOT have a popular vote for president.
    I know you guys are accustomed to putting half-formed thoughts into poorly worded responses and relying on friendly "you know what I mean" interpretations to cover how wrong you are. But what, exactly, does "the majority of the states" mean. In a country with 50 states, wouldn't you need at least 26 states to make up "the majority of the states"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Yes he did.
    What part of his response explains why some states have more electoral votes than others? Exact quote, please. None of your paraphrasing.

    Here's his response:
    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    Yes, its exactly why they did it, and its one of the major reasons that small states joined the union. Their state would be counted, not their small population. Presidential candidates would have to also consider their issues during a campaign. Without that they may as well live in Siberia. Not only wouldn't the union have started without having this advantage, it certainly wouldn't have lasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    I know you guys are accustomed to putting half-formed thoughts into poorly worded responses and relying on friendly "you know what I mean" interpretations to cover how wrong you are. But what, exactly, does "the majority of the states" mean. In a country with 50 states, wouldn't you need at least 26 states to make up "the majority of the states"?
    Majority is one of those English words which has multiple uses. Twenty-six states is a majority if you are referring to a law or policy enacted by 26 states. In a presidential election, a majority of the states is weighted by population. But, you knew that.

    Now the funny thing is (and the genius of the Founding Fathers) that in the early times House seats were a COST to the states. Apportionment could give you more power in the House but it would also cost the state an additional 1/65th of the Federal expenditure. Now we have beggar and donor states and a $23B national debt- because the original design has been fucked with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Majority is one of those English words which has multiple uses. Twenty-six states is a majority if you are referring to a law or policy enacted by 26 states. In a presidential election, a majority of the states is weighted by population. But, you knew that.

    Now the funny thing is (and the genius of the Founding Fathers) that in the early times House seats were a COST to the states. Apportionment could give you more power in the House but it would also cost the state an additional 1/65th of the Federal expenditure. Now we have beggar and donor states and a $23B national debt- because the original design has been fucked with.
    Yes. Yes he did. But I guess I am the doofus for not stating the obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    Majority is one of those English words which has multiple uses. Twenty-six states is a majority if you are referring to a law or policy enacted by 26 states. In a presidential election, a majority of the states is weighted by population. But, you knew that.

    Now the funny thing is (and the genius of the Founding Fathers) that in the early times House seats were a COST to the states. Apportionment could give you more power in the House but it would also cost the state an additional 1/65th of the Federal expenditure. Now we have beggar and donor states and a $23B national debt- because the original design has been fucked with.
    If it's weighted by population, it's not a majority of states, but you knew that.

    Given the current assignment of electoral college votes, you can make what el duffe calls "the majority of states" from 12 states out of 50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    Yes. Yes he did. But I guess I am the doofus for not stating the obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    You're a doofus. Not the doofus. Doofuses abound.
    You'd think so.
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    • "We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the, you know, you know, the thing." —Joe Biden, explaining the Creator.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    You'd think so.
    Where did he answer my question?

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