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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    We're about to find out where I live. Our governor (in NC) just created an executive order banning all mass gatherings of over a hundred people and has cancelled school for 2 weeks. Lots of churches had to cancel service tomorrow. Parents are going to be scrambling to find child care so they can work, so they may very well lose their jobs. People getting paid by the hour with no company safety net (like cafeteria workers) are about to possibly not be able to pay their bills.
    I doubt too many will lose their jobs, but a whole lot will lose paychecks.

    And I'm really starting to wonder about that power. Are our First Amendment rights capriciously suspended (Freedom of assembly in this case)?

    Beyond my general funk about the panic nonsense I don't like the presumption that officials can simply arrogate authority to themselves.

    I read this morning that France and Italy have closed restaurants. Can they do that here? Just as an expression of "an abundance of concern"?

    "Create an executive order" to close restaurants?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    I don't recall hearing you sympathize when low-level government employees had that problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    I doubt too many will lose their jobs, but a whole lot will lose paychecks.

    And I'm really starting to wonder about that power. Are our First Amendment rights capriciously suspended (Freedom of assembly in this case)?

    Beyond my general funk about the panic nonsense I don't like the presumption that officials can simply arrogate authority to themselves.

    I read this morning that France and Italy have closed restaurants. Can they do that here? Just as an expression of "an abundance of concern"?

    "Create an executive order" to close restaurants?
    The governor has closed all non-essential retail in the county next to me. It may be coming to my county next, given the numbers of positive tests coming in. For now, our courthouse is working on a partial schedule, with most of my work now being done by telephone conference rather than in person hearings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    The governor has closed all non-essential retail in the county next to me. It may be coming to my county next, given the numbers of positive tests coming in. For now, our courthouse is working on a partial schedule, with most of my work now being done by telephone conference rather than in person hearings.
    Makes body language manipulation difficult but everyone is the same height.
    If it pays, it stays

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbit View Post
    Makes body language manipulation difficult but everyone is the same height.
    It will be a mess. Lawyers overtalk as it is. Now it will be even more of a free for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    We're about to find out where I live. Our governor (in NC) just created an executive order banning all mass gatherings of over a hundred people and has cancelled school for 2 weeks. Lots of churches had to cancel service tomorrow. Parents are going to be scrambling to find child care so they can work, so they may very well lose their jobs. People getting paid by the hour with no company safety net (like cafeteria workers) are about to possibly not be able to pay their bills.

    I don't know if I am to work this week because I work in a place with well over a hundred people in it. The good news is that I'm helping the digital part of the team and they're working on getting me my own computer. They asked if I had high speed internet. I think it's very possible I'll end up at home at some point. If there's a forced closure, then I might very well have a lot of work on me at home, but that's okay because I have a check. My sister complained about losing her overtime. I told her to be thankful that's all she's losing.


    But Duke Energy promised not to turn off electricity right now. Spectrum company is temporarily giving away free internet to college students who don't already have internet at home and whose classes are now all online. U-Haul is offering 30 day free storage space for displaced college students. Those are local companies, but I bet some in other areas are helping out. My question is why have we not been helping people in need all along? Why haven't we been working to help those who in danger of becoming homeless, not having enough to eat, etc? There are charities, but never efficient enough. The prevailing attitude is that people just don't want to help themselves and it's just not in true in a lot of cases. I'm off track. Back to corona.
    We have been helping them all through government programs for many decades. This in addition to the numerous private charities and outreach programs for everybody from pregnant women to 100 year old Elders. You do have to actually apply for government services and at least make yourself known to private charities. Nobody is psychic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    I doubt too many will lose their jobs, but a whole lot will lose paychecks.

    And I'm really starting to wonder about that power. Are our First Amendment rights capriciously suspended (Freedom of assembly in this case)?

    Beyond my general funk about the panic nonsense I don't like the presumption that officials can simply arrogate authority to themselves.

    I read this morning that France and Italy have closed restaurants. Can they do that here? Just as an expression of "an abundance of concern"?

    "Create an executive order" to close restaurants?

    I don't know. This must be serious. Our governor is a Democrat and his Republican opponent agrees with this move. I found out today that some states have suspended restaurant and bars until further notice. I heard one place even has a curfew. I feel like we're in the Twilight Zone.

    Can we please get back to our regularly scheduled programming of ripping each other apart over politics and sports? This sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    There probably isn't a group better cared for that government employees. Remember, I'm married to one.

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    Unless Papa Trump and Mama Pelosi get into an argument, but right now you're probably right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    We have been helping them all through government programs for many decades. This in addition to the numerous private charities and outreach programs for everybody from pregnant women to 100 year old Elders. You do have to actually apply for government services and at least make yourself known to private charities. Nobody is psychic.

    And yet we have all these people on the streets. In some areas, you're out of luck if you have no kids and are considered able bodied. That sounds fair until you consider the fact that those in charge of Disability say no the first two or three times.

    Letting people know you need help? Tell that to the mentally ill on the street who don't know they're sick much less know how to ask for help. And even if they did ask for help, they won't get it unless they're considered a danger to themselves or society. And fun fact. If you CAN show that they're a danger, the hospital will more than likely only keep them 10 or so days. It's the magic number. Our government lets thousands of people go without and calls them lazy when it's not even close to being their fault. This isn't acceptable.

    Sorry, my brain is on auto pilot lately and I am not censuring myself much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanie View Post
    And yet we have all these people on the streets. In some areas, you're out of luck if you have no kids and are considered able bodied. That sounds fair until you consider the fact that those in charge of Disability say no the first two or three times.

    Letting people know you need help? Tell that to the mentally ill on the street who don't know they're sick much less know how to ask for help. And even if they did ask for help, they won't get it unless they're considered a danger to themselves or society. And fun fact. If you CAN show that they're a danger, the hospital will more than likely only keep them 10 or so days. It's the magic number. Our government lets thousands of people go without and calls them lazy when it's not even close to being their fault. This isn't acceptable.

    Sorry, my brain is on auto pilot lately and I am not censuring myself much.
    Lanie, there will never be an adequate solution to the problems you've outlined unless the people affected are incarcerated in a controlled environment with designated guardians making decisions for them (which none of them want).

    I don't want that. We've done that and while it worked well to provide 24/7 shelter, food, medical care, and no way to access drugs or alcohol, the people subjected to it hated it and were at risk of sexual assault and physical abuse from other inmates as well as being drugged not only for treatment but also for the convenience of staff.

    So, you can let them be even if that means they can't or won't operate on their own behalf in a functional way or you can lock them up and force them to conform to whatever system you think is correct.

    Which is it?
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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