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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    It is simply logical, rational thought. I don't want to spend any more time in quarantine then I have to, so I don't care what "hardships" people have to put up with.
    Well, I get that some kids are doing online school, so if there's heretofore only been a family computer, an inexpensive new computer might be "essential." But, as several people have mentioned, you can have one in a couple of days via online purchase. Walmart delivers free anything over $35. So even if it really MUST be from Walmart, it's only a couple of days' delay.

    Everything a shopper touches, sneezes on, etc. is going to cost the retailer to disinfect when it's over. The time people spend wandering the aisles is more time to come into contact with others. As you said, get in, get what you need, and get out (then wash your hands).

    This is not the time for recreational shopping.

    Our Target already closed the dressing rooms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    Damn, so do I. What is this world coming to?

    No different than rationing during the Big War.
    It's the apocalypse!!

    But yeah, it makes sense. People are not just grabbing meds and a badly needed new bra. They are going there because they can. I get it. I shop a lot. I've been to the grocery store more often than I should be, but there's 4-5 people here and I'm the only one doing the food shopping. If there was a store that I could truly shop at, I probably would be stupid enough to go if I get that stir crazy. As it is, the TotalWine store in Delaware has now posted state police outside to pull over and cite out of staters. I can't believe how many people insisted upon major liquor runs because of this. I mean, how the hell much do you people drink? I like a cocktail here and there, but I don't think I've had a drink at home in 4 years, unless there was a holiday involved. It's just not something I do. Yet, the idiots are literally lined up at the wine store where they will wait for over an hour to get in and load up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Count me as a bit contrarian then, because I'm unsure there's a correlation between such closed aisles and the length of a suggested quarantine.

    Not do I think we can be quarantined for months. It would destroy the country. It would be as if an the end of WW II we invented the atom bomb, and then decided to demonstrate its power by bombing our own cities.

    OK, maybe it's not exactly like that. My point is that the cost of a sustained quarantine is too much to bear.

    There are a few loony lefties who want our country laid waste. Most people simply don't believe it's possible that we should become a shithole country, marked by widespread privation and a despotic, wealthy elite.

    But if we stop working for too long, and print too many trillions of dollars, we'll have a big surprise.
    The longer we fuck around, the longer the quarantine. Shut the country down for 14 day, then open it up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    It's the apocalypse!!

    But yeah, it makes sense. People are not just grabbing meds and a badly needed new bra. They are going there because they can. I get it. I shop a lot. I've been to the grocery store more often than I should be, but there's 4-5 people here and I'm the only one doing the food shopping. If there was a store that I could truly shop at, I probably would be stupid enough to go if I get that stir crazy. As it is, the TotalWine store in Delaware has now posted state police outside to pull over and cite out of staters. I can't believe how many people insisted upon major liquor runs because of this. I mean, how the hell much do you people drink? I like a cocktail here and there, but I don't think I've had a drink at home in 4 years, unless there was a holiday involved. It's just not something I do. Yet, the idiots are literally lined up at the wine store where they will wait for over an hour to get in and load up.
    Oh, girl, don't even get me started on this. People who stock up on booze for a crisis baffle me. In a medical emergency, a hurricane, an earthquake, civil unrest, or other emergency (including pandemic), the last thing I want is to be impaired or be around others who are.

    I'm not a teetotaler, nor do I believe that everyone who drinks routinely has an alcohol problem. However, I decided years ago that I was not interested in significant relationships (friendships or potential partners) with people who decide whether or not they'll join you for dinner based on whether or not the restaurant you've chosen has a full bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    It's the apocalypse!!

    But yeah, it makes sense. People are not just grabbing meds and a badly needed new bra. They are going there because they can. I get it. I shop a lot. I've been to the grocery store more often than I should be, but there's 4-5 people here and I'm the only one doing the food shopping. If there was a store that I could truly shop at, I probably would be stupid enough to go if I get that stir crazy. As it is, the TotalWine store in Delaware has now posted state police outside to pull over and cite out of staters. I can't believe how many people insisted upon major liquor runs because of this. I mean, how the hell much do you people drink? I like a cocktail here and there, but I don't think I've had a drink at home in 4 years, unless there was a holiday involved. It's just not something I do. Yet, the idiots are literally lined up at the wine store where they will wait for over an hour to get in and load up.
    Who says that a "badly needed new bra" is essential? Me?

    And who says that people buying liquor are idiots? Some Czar who hasn't had a drink at home in years?!

    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    The longer we fuck around, the longer the quarantine. Shut the country down for 14 day, then open it up again.

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    I can't see it, Mark. So we close up two weeks. Right now we lost today almost a thousand people to illness. In two weeks, maybe we're up on the curve, day 14 we lose 10,000 people.

    And in the middle of that you'll stand up and say, "Alrighty, time to go back to work!"? Well, yes, you would, and I'd probably second the motion.

    Then we'd be shot.

    The more we button down—a lot of which is necessary, I'll agree—the more vulnerable we are to totalitarian agendas.

    I guess that's always true in wartime. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, famously.

    But it's a very dangerous flirtation, and we have to stay on guard. We have an invisible, lethal enemy to the right of us, the covid-19 virus. We also have enemies to the left of us.
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    Kids being homeschooled need supplies and I can tell you they need craft supplies as well. They need clothes - few have families big enough to have hand-me-downs for a two year old now. People do need electronics now both for work and to prevent them from becoming homicidal maniacs.

    This is the beginning of gardening season and plenty of people are interested in growing their own food for the first time and not everybody who does this routinely has a seed bank in their own home. In short season places if you miss the beginning, you'll miss the entire season.

    People who have never cooked before need cooking supplies now which for some are going to be as basic a pot or pan.

    People also need to plunge their toilets, buy nails or screws to repair various things like fences or chicken coops, and replace broken faucets or window screens. Not to mention small but crucial repairs to cars or machinery.

    Places like Walmart are the places where a lot of people can afford to buy those things.

    Hanging around the cat food aisle trying pick out something for Fluffy isn't much different in exposure terms from buying office supplies for your Etsy business or a tail light bulb for the family car at this kind of store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    Oh, girl, don't even get me started on this. People who stock up on booze for a crisis baffle me. In a medical emergency, a hurricane, an earthquake, civil unrest, or other emergency (including pandemic), the last thing I want is to be impaired or be around others who are.

    I'm not a teetotaler, nor do I believe that everyone who drinks routinely has an alcohol problem. However, I decided years ago that I was not interested in significant relationships (friendships or potential partners) with people who decide whether or not they'll join you for dinner based on whether or not the restaurant you've chosen has a full bar.
    Yep, I'm like you. I'm not a teetotaler. I actually love a cocktail, and would love one right now. I could find some wine around here, if I wanted it (and I kind of do, since I'm going to do a "happy hour' with my college friends in a short bit) but my b-i-l doesn't drink, I'll only have one glass of wine and then in a few days or so I'll have to pour the rest down the sink. My desire for that one glass of wine won't overcome my annoyance at having wasted good wine.

    I just don't understand the panic that some people appear to be experiencing over buying liquor right now. It's weird. Very weird. I don't think the majority of them are alcoholics. I just think it's a weird panic. I guess it's like me almost always buying a whole chicken, a loaf of bread and some milk before a snowstorm. I rarely drink milk or eat bread at home, yet I feel the urge to buy it before a storm. I make one or two peanut butter sandwiches and then the bread gets thrown out. Same with the milk. The chicken, I do use.
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    Count me as one of the contrarians here.

    This very quickly turns into the "what is food" question. Bad way to go. I'm not at all inclined to like some governmental body deciding for me what is and is not "essential." If I'm buying something with government dollars, e.g. food stamps or the like, then fine. But if I'm paying my own money at WalMart, then I should damned well be able to buy a 72" plasma-screen to watch Netflix until I rot if I'm forced by government fiat to stay home, and none of you other bastards have a right to tell me otherwise.

    What else becomes "non-essential?" Maybe the governing body decides that I don't really need that piece of pyrex to store my leftovers, or I don't really need that rubbermaid garbage can, or I don't really need to buy some more underwear (something I literally had to do when this shit started). This is the slipperiest of slippery slopes, and they're going overboard in a huge way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Who says that a "badly needed new bra" is essential? Me?

    And who says that people buying liquor are idiots? Some Czar who hasn't had a drink at home in years?!

    I can't see it, Mark. So we close up two weeks. Right now we lost today almost a thousand people to illness. In two weeks, maybe we're up on the curve, day 14 we lose 10,000 people.

    And in the middle of that you'll stand up and say, "Alrighty, time to go back to work!"? Well, yes, you would, and I'd probably second the motion.

    Then we'd be shot.

    The more we button down—a lot of which is necessary, I'll agree—the more vulnerable we are to totalitarian agendas.

    I guess that's always true in wartime. Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, famously.

    But it's a very dangerous flirtation, and we have to stay on guard. We have an invisible, lethal enemy to the right of us, the covid-19 virus. We also have enemies to the left of us.
    I share your concern. But as of right now we have, to me at least one rational choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    Yep, I'm like you. I'm not a teetotaler. I actually love a cocktail, and would love one right now. I could find some wine around here, if I wanted it (and I kind of do, since I'm going to do a "happy hour' with my college friends in a short bit) but my b-i-l doesn't drink, I'll only have one glass of wine and then in a few days or so I'll have to pour the rest down the sink. My desire for that one glass of wine won't overcome my annoyance at having wasted good wine.

    I just don't understand the panic that some people appear to be experiencing over buying liquor right now. It's weird. Very weird. I don't think the majority of them are alcoholics. I just think it's a weird panic. I guess it's like me almost always buying a whole chicken, a loaf of bread and some milk before a snowstorm. I rarely drink milk or eat bread at home, yet I feel the urge to buy it before a storm. I make one or two peanut butter sandwiches and then the bread gets thrown out. Same with the milk. The chicken, I do use.
    Alcohol isn't weird. Now toilet paper...

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