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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    Yep, I'm like you. I'm not a teetotaler. I actually love a cocktail, and would love one right now. I could find some wine around here, if I wanted it (and I kind of do, since I'm going to do a "happy hour' with my college friends in a short bit) but my b-i-l doesn't drink, I'll only have one glass of wine and then in a few days or so I'll have to pour the rest down the sink. My desire for that one glass of wine won't overcome my annoyance at having wasted good wine.

    I just don't understand the panic that some people appear to be experiencing over buying liquor right now. It's weird. Very weird. I don't think the majority of them are alcoholics. I just think it's a weird panic. I guess it's like me almost always buying a whole chicken, a loaf of bread and some milk before a snowstorm. I rarely drink milk or eat bread at home, yet I feel the urge to buy it before a storm. I make one or two peanut butter sandwiches and then the bread gets thrown out. Same with the milk. The chicken, I do use.
    There were some false rumors about that liquor stores were going to be shuttered as unessential.

    There were attempts to close gun stores, as you undoubtedly know.

    Y'know, not for nothing, Phillygirl, what could be less essential than cigarette smoking? Covid-19 kills by respiratory distress, for crying out loud!

    What a wonderful opportunity we have to break this insidious habit once and for everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
    Count me as one of the contrarians here.

    This very quickly turns into the "what is food" question. Bad way to go. I'm not at all inclined to like some governmental body deciding for me what is and is not "essential." If I'm buying something with government dollars, e.g. food stamps or the like, then fine. But if I'm paying my own money at WalMart, then I should damned well be able to buy a 72" plasma-screen to watch Netflix until I rot if I'm forced by government fiat to stay home, and none of you other bastards have a right to tell me otherwise.

    What else becomes "non-essential?" Maybe the governing body decides that I don't really need that piece of pyrex to store my leftovers, or I don't really need that rubbermaid garbage can, or I don't really need to buy some more underwear (something I literally had to do when this shit started). This is the slipperiest of slippery slopes, and they're going overboard in a huge way.
    If you are going to allow Wal Mart to sell a TV, you have to allow Best Buy to as well. So, if you are a contrarian, what is the answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    If you are going to allow Wal Mart to sell a TV, you have to allow Best Buy to as well. So, if you are a contrarian, what is the answer?

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    Actually the logic for closing Best Buy is sound. NONE of their products are essential. No food, no medication, no household items, no clothes. So because of that *and* because stores selling essential items also carry what they have there is no reason to increase the risk.

    It's the same as closing bars but allowing restaurants to offer alcohol with their take out. Although here locally the bars are allowed to offer take out now as well as long as it's in sealed containers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    Actually the logic for closing Best Buy is sound. NONE of their products are essential. No food, no medication, no household items, no clothes. So because of that *and* because stores selling essential items also carry what they have there is no reason to increase the risk.

    It's the same as closing bars but allowing restaurants to offer alcohol with their take out. Although here locally the bars are allowed to offer take out now as well as long as it's in sealed containers.
    The logic is not fair. Bad enough that you have to close. Worse that those that who are open get to steal your customers from you before you get to re-open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    The logic is not fair.
    Life isn't fair. Furniture stores, strip clubs, hair salons, hot tub stores, tattoo shops, and gift shops are all closed. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    Bad enough that you have to close. Worse that those that who are open get to steal your customers from you before you get to re-open.

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    Tell that to the car mechanics and gas stations. They are essential but are hurting a whole lot right now with so many people not driving much. Tell that to the theme park workers. Most of them have permanently lost their jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    There were some false rumors about that liquor stores were going to be shuttered as unessential.

    There were attempts to close gun stores, as you undoubtedly know.

    Y'know, not for nothing, Phillygirl, what could be less essential than cigarette smoking? Covid-19 kills by respiratory distress, for crying out loud!

    What a wonderful opportunity we have to break this insidious habit once and for everyone!

    Everything in moderation, my friend!!

    They have closed the liquor stores in PA...hence the line at Total Wine in Delaware (although it's often popular and this isn't the first time the troopers have gotten involved..it's illegal to buy alcohol in Delaware and bring it across state lines because of the tax issue). I just don't get the panic. If you like liquor that much, don't you already have it in your house? At my Maryland house, which is where I'm most likely to drink in the home, I've got all the basics...vodka, gin, scotch, tequila, along with about a dozen or so bottles of wine. Sorry, I just don't really get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    Everything in moderation, my friend!!

    They have closed the liquor stores in PA...hence the line at Total Wine in Delaware (although it's often popular and this isn't the first time the troopers have gotten involved..it's illegal to buy alcohol in Delaware and bring it across state lines because of the tax issue). I just don't get the panic. If you like liquor that much, don't you already have it in your house? At my Maryland house, which is where I'm most likely to drink in the home, I've got all the basics...vodka, gin, scotch, tequila, along with about a dozen or so bottles of wine. Sorry, I just don't really get it.
    There are way more functioning alcoholics than you realize. At that level of consumption they are self medicating to prevent withdraw. That withdraw can be life threatening and at the very least contribute to the over whelming of the healthcare system even further. Closing liquor stores is not a wise choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    My sharp and instant reaction to your post is that this is not about limiting traffic or preventing disease AT ALL. I don't care about the speeches.

    This is about evil "consumerism," the sibling of evil capitalism. I hear in my ears the earnest sermons by my late, communist cousin complaining that Americans are somehow sinful in have too much consumer choice. "How many kinds of toilet paper do you need?" He said. That rhetorical question has a funny ring to it just now.

    But here is an opportunity in Vermont, of course, to strip away the dissolute excess of consumerism.

    And of course we'll close the "beauty aisles" first. Ladies, you will go gray and love it.

    Why don't we ban the use of hair dryers while we're at it? Oh, I don't know why. Maybe to save the earth. Maybe just to humiliate people, and force them to adopt virtue signaling as a defense.

    I can't take Vermont seriously as long as they allow Ben & Jerry's to enable vast herds of farting cows.
    I will see your evil consumerism, and raise you one "They shouldn't be selling ammunition...you fucking nazis!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    Everything in moderation, my friend!!

    They have closed the liquor stores in PA...hence the line at Total Wine in Delaware (although it's often popular and this isn't the first time the troopers have gotten involved..it's illegal to buy alcohol in Delaware and bring it across state lines because of the tax issue). I just don't get the panic. If you like liquor that much, don't you already have it in your house? At my Maryland house, which is where I'm most likely to drink in the home, I've got all the basics...vodka, gin, scotch, tequila, along with about a dozen or so bottles of wine. Sorry, I just don't really get it.
    Two things (in addition to the false rumors I mentioned) maybe:

    1. We've seen persistent shortages in common consumer items like hand soap and toilet paper. We are suddenly acclimated to "panic buying" behavior.

    2. In PA the Democratic Governor Wolf is at the door, ordering people to keep it closed: All of Pennsylvania now under orders to stay home.

    His propensity to give orders is very clear.

    People are reacting proactively.
    • "The Constitution is not suspended in times of crisis." — AG William Barr.
    • "We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the, you know, you know, the thing." —Joe Biden, explaining the Creator.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    Everything in moderation, my friend!!

    They have closed the liquor stores in PA...hence the line at Total Wine in Delaware (although it's often popular and this isn't the first time the troopers have gotten involved..it's illegal to buy alcohol in Delaware and bring it across state lines because of the tax issue). I just don't get the panic. If you like liquor that much, don't you already have it in your house? At my Maryland house, which is where I'm most likely to drink in the home, I've got all the basics...vodka, gin, scotch, tequila, along with about a dozen or so bottles of wine. Sorry, I just don't really get it.
    Of for shit's sake, Phillyfilly, I thought those were false rumors that the PA liquor stores would close. I see I'm three weeks out of date. Yeesh.

    OK, I checked.

    As for the second bit of boldface upstairs, that one's easy. Liquor is a consumable, and by golly, I think I'll have another.

    • "The Constitution is not suspended in times of crisis." — AG William Barr.
    • "We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the, you know, you know, the thing." —Joe Biden, explaining the Creator.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.
    • "I was not elected to do small things or shy away from big problems.” —Donald Trump.


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