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    How not to prepare for a pandemic

    This, How New York City’s Emergency Ventilator Stockpile Ended Up on the Auction Block (Pro Publica, by Justin Elliott, Annie Waldman and Joshua Kaplan), is a lengthy, detailed account. Breitbart, Report: New York City Auctioned Off Ventilator Stockpile (Joel Pollak), summarizes:
    A new report indicates that New York City auctioned off its emergency stockpile of 500 ventilators several years ago, thanks to budget cuts and attention to other priorities.

    The story, reported by ProPublica on Monday, echoes a similar report by the Los Angeles Times last week about California’s stockpile. In both cases, Republican leaders built up emergency supplies, which were later cut for budgetary reasons.
    The similarities between the New York City and California cases are striking. The Times reported that then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, worried about recent pandemics in Asia, and noting the political fallout of Hurricane Katrina for President George W. Bush, invested hundreds of millions of dollars in ventilators, masks, and mobile hospitals.

    Similarly, and at the same time, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg prepared a stockpile for use in case of a pandemic.
    The stockpiles were far from adequate, and they deteriorated over time in many cases, before they were finally auctioned off.
    Ironically, ProPublica adds, the experience of the H1N1 swine flu in 2009 lulled the city into a false sense of security, because it turned out to be far less destructive than had been initially feared.

    USA Today confirmed last week that the Obama administration depleted the national stockpile of respirator masks and other supplies during the H1N1 outbreak, but never restored it.
    • "The Constitution is not suspended in times of crisis." — AG William Barr.
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    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.
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    I claim no expertise in either public health or crisis management (other than being a parent, which does require some crisis management skills). It seems to me, however, that what is required is balancing adequate stockpiles against inevitable deterioration of somewhat perishable items. The smart thing to do, then, would be to have enough equipment and supplies on hand to get us through the first few weeks of a crisis, but rotate that equipment into routine use so it doesn't go bad, while replacing from the back, the way one does with, for example, canned goods.

    The other thing to do would be to have a plan in place to rapidly ramp up production of certain products, from respirators to medications, at the beginning of a crisis.

    We never know exactly what the next pandemic will be or when, but if is not one of the questions. There are certain things that every single one, from the Plague through the present, have had in common. Those commonalities are what we should always be prepared to address immediately and decisively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    I claim no expertise in either public health or crisis management (other than being a parent, which does require some crisis management skills). It seems to me, however, that what is required is balancing adequate stockpiles against inevitable deterioration of somewhat perishable items. The smart thing to do, then, would be to have enough equipment and supplies on hand to get us through the first few weeks of a crisis, but rotate that equipment into routine use so it doesn't go bad, while replacing from the back, the way one does with, for example, canned goods.

    The other thing to do would be to have a plan in place to rapidly ramp up production of certain products, from respirators to medications, at the beginning of a crisis.

    We never know exactly what the next pandemic will be or when, but if is not one of the questions. There are certain things that every single one, from the Plague through the present, have had in common. Those commonalities are what we should always be prepared to address immediately and decisively.
    Yes, and my remark about "inadequate" reserves are a bit off the mark.

    I'm not surprised those reserves were starved and sold off, though.
    • "The Constitution is not suspended in times of crisis." — AG William Barr.
    • "We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the, you know, you know, the thing." —Joe Biden, explaining the Creator.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.
    • "I was not elected to do small things or shy away from big problems.” —Donald Trump.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Yes, and my remark about "inadequate" reserves are a bit off the mark.

    I'm not surprised those reserves were starved and sold off, though.
    We had masks and gloves on hand, because we use them regularly for emptying the dog-poop can and other unsanitary tasks. We're using them judiciously now, as the neighbors perhaps present greater risks than cleaning our own yard and bathroom.
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    Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to get everyone a "gas mask"? No shutting down the economy...nothing. And it would sure as hell be cheaper than anything else we would do.

    The world was lucky during the few last exotic viruses that showed up, but we have to figure something like this could happen again in 5 years. Develop a cheap gas mask and keep the country running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    The world was lucky during the few last exotic viruses that showed up, but we have to figure something like this could happen again in 5 years. Develop a cheap gas mask and keep the country running.

    Mark
    Isn't this the third from China? We've been led to blame the "wet markets," but another persistent contention is that this virus escaped from a Chinese lab in Wuhan. There seems to be an animated debate about it:

    Experts know the new coronavirus is not a bioweapon. They disagree on whether it could have leaked from a research lab


    Theory coronavirus leaked from Chinese lab ‘no longer discounted

    US Army Colonel: Coronavirus Was Leaked From A Chinese Lab

    My reaction is, What's up with this?
    • "The Constitution is not suspended in times of crisis." — AG William Barr.
    • "We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the, you know, you know, the thing." —Joe Biden, explaining the Creator.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.
    • "I was not elected to do small things or shy away from big problems.” —Donald Trump.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Isn't this the third from China? We've been led to blame the "wet markets," but another persistent contention is that this virus escaped from a Chinese lab in Wuhan. There seems to be an animated debate about it:

    Experts know the new coronavirus is not a bioweapon. They disagree on whether it could have leaked from a research lab


    Theory coronavirus leaked from Chinese lab ‘no longer discounted

    US Army Colonel: Coronavirus Was Leaked From A Chinese Lab

    My reaction is, What's up with this?
    I doubt we will ever know for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to get everyone a "gas mask"? No shutting down the economy...nothing. And it would sure as hell be cheaper than anything else we would do.

    The world was lucky during the few last exotic viruses that showed up, but we have to figure something like this could happen again in 5 years. Develop a cheap gas mask and keep the country running.

    Mark
    Israel. Gas masks always on hand. With occasional drills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    We had masks and gloves on hand, because we use them regularly for emptying the dog-poop can and other unsanitary tasks. We're using them judiciously now, as the neighbors perhaps present greater risks than cleaning our own yard and bathroom.
    Hilarious. Putting on a mask just to take care of dog poop. Goodness knows what you might go through in your own poop-toilet. What must you go through if you have to poop in a public toilet...…………………..

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    Asshole. I wear a mask because it stinks.
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