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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    Show me a Republican doing the same thing for temporary workers during a national emergency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    I don't know if all states are the same, but in my experience, Frostbit's correct. You pay tax where you earn the money. When I worked in California for Atlanta-based Crawford & Company, our paychecks came from Georgia, but we worked in CA and paid only CA taxes, not Georgia.

    And when hospitals import nurses, whether from the Philippines or Iowa (and I've known both), they are, in fact, provided housing and transportation.
    If I'm a traveling sales rep for some company in NC, say. My career is selling out of state, drawing up agreements out of state.

    Do I pay those various states taxes out of my salary or commission?

    I remember a story eons ago about a lawyer who was feted by his law firm because due to time zones and long flights, he was able to log more than 24 billable hours in a day.

    Where did he owe taxes?

    Now I'll grant, the taxers have probably wrangled a legal way to tax the air we breathe, if we let them.

    But if you're a cook in my restaurant in PA, and I give you a paid month off to cook, for free there, for first responders in NYC, I simply don't believe NY is entitled to a cut of your salary.

    If you have law on your side, pound the law, as they say. I'm pounding principle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    1. They are volunteers. They would not have lost their jobs if they didn't choose to go.
    2. Who cares how much they are making? We're shoveling boatloads of cash to businesses just to keep people paid - even if they don't have anything to do.
    3. Regardless of your situation (non National Emergency), it's bullshit to further complicate their lives and further disincentivise people from answering the call to choose to go to New York the next time this happens.
    4. These are not "traveling nurses" by trade. Most don't have accountants and shouldn't have to worry about those things right now - but a politician sees a pile of money so....
    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    Show me a Republican doing the same thing for temporary workers during a national emergency.
    You won the thread twice in a row!

    Not bad, Slim.

    I want my proverb back, though: People gotta learn, if you vote for Democrats, you get Democrats!

    • “Weakness is refusing to take responsibility for your own actions, weakness is pointing your finger at someone else in a time of crisis." — Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, blaming Trump.
    • "We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the, you know, you know, the thing." —Joe Biden, explaining the Creator.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    If I'm a traveling sales rep for some company in NC, say. My career is selling out of state, drawing up agreements out of state.

    Do I pay those various states taxes out of my salary or commission?

    I remember a story eons ago about a lawyer who was feted by his law firm because due to time zones and long flights, he was able to log more than 24 billable hours in a day.

    Where did he owe taxes?

    Now I'll grant, the taxers have probably wrangled a legal way to tax the air we breathe, if we let them.

    But if you're a cook in my restaurant in PA, and I give you a paid month off to cook, for free there, for first responders in NYC, I simply don't believe NY is entitled to a cut of your salary.

    If you have law on your side, pound the law, as they say. I'm pounding principle.
    Traveling sale reps pay taxes where their paychecks go, i.e., their state of residence, precisely because that is their fixed base of operations. Traveling nurses, as Frostbit noted, pay taxes wherever they earn the money, because they reside, however temporarily, in that state. Some of them don't even have fixed addresses, or they have a home someplace they intend to retire, but never stay there. There are different rules for different situations. If these are true volunteers, and their employers back home are paying them, out of the goodness of their hearts, to go to NYC, those volunteers aren't earning money in NYC, and therefore aren't affected. If they're agency or registry nurses who "volunteered" to go get paid to work in NYC, their home state can't tax that money, so of course NY can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    Traveling sale reps pay taxes where their paychecks go, i.e., their state of residence, precisely because that is their fixed base of operations. Traveling nurses, as Frostbit noted, pay taxes wherever they earn the money, because they reside, however temporarily, in that state. Some of them don't even have fixed addresses, or they have a home someplace they intend to retire, but never stay there. There are different rules for different situations. If these are true volunteers, and their employers back home are paying them, out of the goodness of their hearts, to go to NYC, those volunteers aren't earning money in NYC, and therefore aren't affected. If they're agency or registry nurses who "volunteered" to go get paid to work in NYC, their home state can't tax that money, so of course NY can.
    This!! I support the Doctors and Nurses "on the front lines"....... that said there are plenty on Facebook wearing this like a badge of honor while they are there for the gold mine. Sorry but that's disingenuous in my mind.

    YMMV
    If it pays, it stays

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    Setting aside legalese for a moment, I'm reminded of the most problematic parable of Jesus, about hiring day workers for a vineyard.

    The master of the vineyard picks up some workers bright and early in the morning; others drift in midday; still others show up just before quitting time. But the master pays everyone the same amount. This understandably irks many of the workers, and the master explains that it's his money to do with as he pleases, etc. It's an allegory of heaven, to make the point that the reward is the same for lifelong good guys, and last minute repenters, which contradicted a common idea that the righteous in this life would have a higher place in the next.

    I've heard people try to apply that pay model to real life, along "equal pay" notions. Somehow I never heard anyone ask how many workers showed up early for work on the second day.

    I'd like to ask Andrew Cuomo how many people will show up to help New York in the next crisis?

    My guess is a helluva lot fewer.
    • “Weakness is refusing to take responsibility for your own actions, weakness is pointing your finger at someone else in a time of crisis." — Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, blaming Trump.
    • "We hold these truths to be self evident. All men and women created by the, you know, you know, the thing." —Joe Biden, explaining the Creator.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." —Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” —Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." —CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    I watched Cuomo's address about this and he's clearly trying to leverage the Federal Government to pick up the 13 Billion New York is in the hole by taxing these "volunteers". He's an idiot if he thinks the Trump administration would actually go "Oh sure Andy, he's all the money you want just please don't tax the nurses."
    If it pays, it stays

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    Taxation aside here's a real boots on the ground story that touches J&J. A Traveling Nurse Joyce worked with at the Native hospital in Anchorage has kept in touch for the last 6 years via FB. He was working in CA but had worked in NYC in the past and when Cuomo put out the call he went back to help. He got admitted to the ICU two days ago. He's Black and slightly over weight. I have concerns.
    If it pays, it stays

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