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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    They're stronger than the ones that blow up against fences all over the country, but storage and re-use are the issue. Most people just don't. So all that plastic is going into landfills.

    Conversely, we use up the paper ones quickly, lining the kitchen recycling bin. Since they are also recyclable, I just grab the whole bag when it's full and toss it in the big blue bin out in the parking lot.

    People around here used to recycle the thin plastic ones by using them to refill the poop-bag bins at the municipal dog park. The new "reusable" bags are too stiff and heavy for that use, so they just pile up or get used to line small trash cans and thrown in with the landfill waste.
    Our local grocery takes back our plastic bags to recycle. Egg cartons too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    Our local grocery takes back our plastic bags to recycle. Egg cartons too.
    Ours did, but the receptacle seems to have been a victim of COVID. Early in the shutdown, someone apparently decided recycled plastic carried the virus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    Our local grocery takes back our plastic bags to recycle. Egg cartons too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    Ours did, but the receptacle seems to have been a victim of COVID. Early in the shutdown, someone apparently decided recycled plastic carried the virus.
    Here about 20% of the recycling goes into actual recycling. The rest goes to the top of the trash mountain. It's segregated by area and the problem is that it's just too expensive to build more recycling infrastructure.

    The whole thing was a ruse - a way to get federal funding for an unsustainable initiative.
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    Y'all are a friggin' mess.

    Quote Originally Posted by scott View Post
    Here about 20% of the recycling goes into actual recycling. The rest goes to the top of the trash mountain. It's segregated by area and the problem is that it's just too expensive to build more recycling infrastructure.

    The whole thing was a ruse - a way to get federal funding for an unsustainable initiative.
    I've heard activists say the fake recycling serves to build good habits. It's a good line, has a tiny element of truth in it. But I believe the larger picture is pure propaganda: Like wearing face masks to show subservience to government nanny-ism, pretend recycling practices allegiance to the "climate change" ideology.
    • "An iron curtain has descended across the continent." — Winston Churchill, March 5, 1946. But that was then, and somewhere else.
    • "Are you going to be responsible for the rioting if we hear this case?" — Chief Justice Roberts, who apparently had a secret codicil to his oath of office.
    • "Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate." — Texas State House Rep. Terry Meza, proposing to bar "castle defense" protection for victims of home invasions.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Y'all are a friggin' mess.

    I've heard activists say the fake recycling serves to build good habits. It's a good line, has a tiny element of truth in it. But I believe the larger picture is pure propaganda: Like wearing face masks to show subservience to government nanny-ism, pretend recycling practices allegiance to the "climate change" ideology.
    Yep, that was the line - "well it's good to get everyone in the habit so when we have the capacity it won't be a change..." but the capacity never got built, and now the whole program is dependent on federal funds just to keep the money losing section operating. So now it's about "saving jobs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Y'all are a friggin' mess.

    I've heard activists say the fake recycling serves to build good habits. It's a good line, has a tiny element of truth in it. But I believe the larger picture is pure propaganda: Like wearing face masks to show subservience to government nanny-ism, pretend recycling practices allegiance to the "climate change" ideology.
    I don't know for fact how much of what goes in our recycling bins actually gets recycled. California has been recycling for a long time and has lots of facilities, so I hope they're fairly good at it. I do know that at least one Bay Area municipality has a position called "garbage auditor," whose job it is to ensure that multi-family housing complexes are properly sorting waste and don't have too high a proportion of recyclables in their garbage bins.

    We have gray bins for landfill, blue for recycling, and green for organic (food waste, yard waste, used paper plates/cardboard food containers).
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    I was in the 'weighing industry' for years.
    I dealt with the big money waste companies.

    It's all about the bucks.

    Where do we make the most profit.

    ALL of the decisions are based on profit. All they really want is to make the pick up.. the transportation, what happens after it's off loaded is no concern.

    What's our cost to pick up and transport.
    If the costs reach a certain point... open a landfill we own.

    I was involved in a lot of projects.
    One of the first 'charge by weight' residential.
    One of the first 'charge by weight' commercial.
    Why? Because of Tipping fees..the charge per ton to dump at a landfill.
    Those required equipment that was developed by the company I worked for.

    But once again back to the bottom line... The $$$.
    Whatever you hear about waste, recycling, environment etc, it is controlled by large companies who look after the bottom line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramps View Post
    I was in the 'weighing industry' for years.
    I dealt with the big money waste companies.

    It's all about the bucks.

    Where do we make the most profit.

    ALL of the decisions are based on profit. All they really want is to make the pick up.. the transportation, what happens after it's off loaded is no concern.
    What's our cost to pick up and transport.
    If the costs reach a certain point... open a landfill we own.

    I was involved in a lot of projects.
    One of the first 'charge by weight' residential.
    One of the first 'charge by weight' commercial.
    Why? Because of Tipping fees..the charge per ton to dump at a landfill.
    Those required equipment that was developed by the company I worked for.

    But once again back to the bottom line... The $$$.
    Whatever you hear about waste, recycling, environment etc, it is controlled by large companies who look after the bottom line.
    A youngish distant relative in western NC is in the metal recycling business. She was at a small family gathering I attended some months ago, and cheerfully unloaded—"tipped" you could say—an extended exposition on recycling hubris, especially on the "rare metals" mining process and the earth-saving flim-flam of alternative energy sources, electric cars and such.

    I can't begin to pretend to remember much of what she said, beyond a few colorful details, but the gist of it is that most of the hype is bogus, and people are gladly selling the tripe to people who gladly eat it up for their daily recommended allowance of moral righteousness.
    • "An iron curtain has descended across the continent." — Winston Churchill, March 5, 1946. But that was then, and somewhere else.
    • "Are you going to be responsible for the rioting if we hear this case?" — Chief Justice Roberts, who apparently had a secret codicil to his oath of office.
    • "Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate." — Texas State House Rep. Terry Meza, proposing to bar "castle defense" protection for victims of home invasions.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    If they were REALLY concerned about recycling, they would force us all to either use aluminum cans or reusable bottles for our glass drinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post

    Like wearing face masks to show subservience to government nanny-ism,
    Thanks. Have been looking for some good words to describe the mask dumb mania.
    Businesses ruining their own business.

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