In Praise of Purple

[Celeste Chalfonte]

I am keeping my remarks to homosexuality. I admit that I don't fully understand transgenderism, and while I do believe some people who identify as such definitely have issues whereby their brain does not match their biology. I don't think that means they are mentally ill. I think that simply means that something in their biological makeup happened whereby the brain doesn't match the body in the traditional sense. Now, do I believe that some people have latched on to this to account for other issues that may be going on with them mentally or emotionally? Sure. But I think that is a completely different issue from being gay.

I think the percentage of young people that identify as gay but aren't gay is extremely small. While there is a percentage of youth that "experiment" with homosexual relationships, I think most of them acknowledge that they are more experimenting with sex than with a sexual orientation. Much as I might experiment with vegetarianism by way of trying to cook and eat more plant based meals, I'm not foregoing my basic orientation as a carnivore.

I don't believe that recognizing that homosexuality is a real attribute and recognizing that those that are homosexual also form relationships that are just as real, just as committed as heterosexual relationships in any way is counter to the development of a civilize society. In fact, I think it helps society. No more are people hiding their true orientation by entering in to false marriages in order to keep up appearances and then, tragically, perhaps, leaving those relationships when they feel comfortable to live as their true authentic selves. I find that to be far more damaging to society than simply accepting, at the outset, that some members of society happen to be gay.

As usual, your post is well-reasoned, but in this case, pointless to express. Zippy is heavily invested in believing his view is the only correct view on these (very different) issues. His constant conflation of sexual identity with sexual/affectional orientation makes clear that he simply insists upon rejecting as unnatural anything that is outside his own narrow social, behavioral, and emotional range.

I don't pretend to fully understand transgenderism either, but even if we concede that there is an element of psychological dysfunction involved, I fail to see how it harms anyone else, any more than Mark's panic disorder, and probably less so than his history of alcohol abuse.

[80zephyr]

As usual, your post is well-reasoned, but in this case, pointless to express. Zippy is heavily invested in believing his view is the only correct view on these (very different) issues. His constant conflation of sexual identity with sexual/affectional orientation makes clear that he simply insists upon rejecting as unnatural anything that is outside his own narrow social, behavioral, and emotional range.

I don't pretend to fully understand transgenderism either, but even if we concede that there is an element of psychological dysfunction involved, I fail to see how it harms anyone else, any more than Mark's panic disorder, and probably less so than his history of alcohol abuse.

Well, way to keep the discussion civil Celeste. As I pointed out(often) these people destroying our society are zealots. Based on your posting, you happen to fit the M.O.

BTW, I DO believe my view is correct, because I base it on facts and logic. And what about you Celeste? With all the debates we have had, has your opinion moved even one iota closer to mine?

Now who is it that believes that only their view is the correct one?

Mark

[daveman]

?? That was never my point. They are still gay. My point was that when its easier and more acceptable to be gay, tranny, etc., you'll get more of it.

Mark

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

[80zephyr]

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Did you read my links? Gay and transgender is cool now. Liberal parents actually want their kids to be one or the other.

Mark

[Celeste Chalfonte]

Did you read my links? Gay and transgender is cool now. Liberal parents actually want their kids to be one or the other.

Well, if the parents think it's cool, you have nothing to worry about. No self-respecting teen would voluntarily do anything their parents think is cool. The very definition of "uncool" is "anything an adult thinks is cool." Hell, we'll probably find out actual gay kids are pretending to be straight just to spite their parents.

Or maybe not. Somehow, there still seem to be way too many gay kids getting thrown out of their homes, harassed at school, or otherwise intimidated into hiding who they are. Where is this paradise of tolerance you describe?

[Lady Marva]

Or maybe not. Somehow, there still seem to be way too many gay kids getting thrown out of their homes, harassed at school, or otherwise intimidated into hiding who they are. Where is this paradise of tolerance you describe?

Statistics needed on this claim. just exactly how many is it? Broken down by claim / gender etc. Broken down by religion? What can you even begin to provide?
TOO MANY? Does that mean one? Per how many years?
What are the numbers for this "paradise of intolerance" you claim?

[Lady Marva]

His constant conflation of sexual identity with sexual/affectional orientation

Just exactly how does "sexual identity" NOT conflate with sexual orientation? Oh right. Gay people who can't figure out their own sexual identities who don't know if they are male or female.

[80zephyr]

Well, if the parents think it's cool, you have nothing to worry about. No self-respecting teen would voluntarily do anything their parents think is cool. The very definition of "uncool" is "anything an adult thinks is cool." Hell, we'll probably find out actual gay kids are pretending to be straight just to spite their parents.

Or maybe not. Somehow, there still seem to be way too many gay kids getting thrown out of their homes, harassed at school, or otherwise intimidated into hiding who they are. Where is this paradise of tolerance you describe?

A four year old doesn't think their parent isn't cool. They are the ones being used by the parents to be cool.

As for tolerance of gays, it has come a long way. Its as rare as racism now.

Mark

[Newman]

The "news" here isn't the throuple; that was in 2017. Now one of the dads has penned a book about their "journey."

Gay poly throuple makes history, lists 3 dads on a birth certificate

A gay, polyamorous California throuple made history in 2017 when they became the first family in the state to list three parents on a birth certificate.

Their reproductive journey and legal battle to become fathers to Piper, now 3, is detailed in “Three Dads and a Baby” (out March 9, Cleis Press), written by one of her dads, Dr. Ian Jenkins.

Jenkins and his partners, Jeremy Hodges and Dr. Alan Mayfield, don’t see their family — which now also includes their son, Parker, 1 — as unusual.

“The fact that Piper has three parents is just not a big deal. I have three parents myself — my mother, father and stepmother — and no one thinks anything of it,” Jenkins writes in the book. “Some people seem to think it’s about a ton of sex or something, or we’re unstable and must do crazy things. [But] it’s really remarkably ordinary and domestic in our house and definitely not ‘Tiger King,’” referring to Joe Exotic’s wild gay throuple featured in the buzzy Netflix docuseries.

At some point it's simply a cult.

By the way, we should pretty soon decide how we shall treat the spousal testimonial privilege when groups of people become legally married.

[80zephyr]

The "news" here isn't the throuple; that was in 2017. Now one of the dads has penned a book about their "journey."

Gay poly throuple makes history, lists 3 dads on a birth certificate
At some point it's simply a cult.

By the way, we should pretty soon decide how we shall treat the spousal testimonial privilege when groups of people become legally married.

The ONLY people that should be listed on a birth certificate are those people who were involved with the birth. The mother and the father.

Mark