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    Safe-ing ourselves to death

    Bouncing off this picture in a nearby thread leads to some stray thoughts converging.

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    We're going through is a mass hysteria as we've done often enough before, such as the society-wide persecution of daycare providers for mass child abuse.

    For a bunch of years in the 1980s and beyond we threw aside common sense and long-established legal principles; we convicted many innocent people of grotesque and impossible crimes, such as raping a child with a butcher knife but leaving no physical injuries. Every single conviction was eventually tossed out. Every single one.

    Yet for years people who said, yes, children can lie about important things, for example, were shouted down and shut out. I'm reminded of that when I see principles abandoned, such as the legal profession offering the best defense to every defendant (Trump Impeachment Attorney Canceled by Law School, Civil Rights Law Group)

    I'm reminded of that when I look at the flutists above, who appear to be students. I infer the cutaway masks are not mockery but in earnest, likely required. And somehow no one can stand in that orchestra room and say, "This is ridiculous, and I'm done with it."

    How we got here will fall to future generations, probably in a distant and free country, to discern. Truth, in this country, and in fact the principle of objective truth, has fallen and it can't get up. Lies are become so blatant (e.g. WATCH: Kamala Harris Blatantly Lies About the Trump Administration's Vaccine Efforts) I think the motive is not simply to rewrite history but to discipline the troops. Sort of a loyalty test, if you will, lie by lie. In this scenario contradictory lies are not flaws but simply further testing. This is pretty frustrating for old fashioned Truth Clingers, who are disturbed by things like Biden Claims ‘We Didn’t Have’ a COVID Vaccine When He Took Office. (Biden himself was vaccinated before he took office.) Where are the fabled "fact-checkers" as the Washington Post?

    Mass hysteria has always been exploited both for personal gain—from property rights in the Salem witch trials case and careers such as Janet Reno's in the daycare hysteria years—and ideological advantage, as in the climate crises that always call for "re-ordering our economic priorities."(Re the quote in my signature by AOC's once chief of staff Chakrabarti.)

    Somehow our society became vulnerable to personal fear. Maybe an early warning was the clamor for "safe spaces" on college campuses. Our obsession for safety had willing, enabling partners in the legal community, who could make a killing with extortionate suing, and much of the media, who saw in anxiety a synonym for ratings. And of course, connivers who wanted no weakness to go unexploited.

    Among most of the the people I see, there is a towering impatience with this cowering. Even among very, very liberal friends (from Michigan here, full disclosure) there's a statement, ver batim, that, "I've been vaccinated; my second shot is coming up in a week. And then—I'm done with this. I'm going out." (OK, I've also got a couple of friends who look like they're prepared to slink about with two or ten face masks on for the rest of their lives.)

    We are a very divided country right now. The ones who treasure "muh freedumb," as one liberal acquaintance types it, are at the same extreme disadvantage libertarians share in general. If their side seeks to dissipate power, and the other side seeks to accumulate power, which side would you bet on?
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    • "An iron curtain has descended across the continent." — Winston Churchill, March 5, 1946. But that was then, and somewhere else.
    • "Are you going to be responsible for the rioting if we hear this case?" — Chief Justice Roberts, who apparently had a secret codicil to his oath of office.
    • "Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate." — Texas State House Rep. Terry Meza, proposing to bar "castle defense" protection for victims of home invasions.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    Part of the mass hysteria is this dodgeball game with "Science."

    I heard very recently, amplifying what I'd heard months ago, that vitamin D was crucial in getting COVID-19 under control. (I've been taking a vitamin D supplement for months now.). I heard that with sufficient levels of vitamin D the China virus is no worse than a mild cold.

    This makes common sense when it reminds me of NY Gov. Cuomo's surprise that 60% (as I recall) of COVID cases were among people already locking down, meaning they were staying at home, and certainly not playing in the sunshine. With apologies to Gale Garnett, or the musical Hair, maybe their vitamin D levels were simply insufficient.

    Sheesh. That's not going to make any money for Big Pharma.

    And what if it turns out, as I think it will, that close social interaction—the opposite of this social distancing crap—keeps society healthier by spreading germs and infections quite liberally, generating "herd immunity" constantly, with very little notice.

    Fact is, humans are herd animals. We like social mingling. And I strongly suspect, like vitamin D, it's loaded with unassuming and powerful antidotes to biological dangers.

    Maybe this social distancing, mask wearing, stay home crap, is making us more vulnerable to whatever pathogens lurk outside. Wouldn't that be nice?
    • "An iron curtain has descended across the continent." — Winston Churchill, March 5, 1946. But that was then, and somewhere else.
    • "Are you going to be responsible for the rioting if we hear this case?" — Chief Justice Roberts, who apparently had a secret codicil to his oath of office.
    • "Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate." — Texas State House Rep. Terry Meza, proposing to bar "castle defense" protection for victims of home invasions.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    From Newmans post:

    Truth, in this country, and in fact the principle of objective truth, has fallen and it can't get up.
    They say "there is no such thing as race".

    That is a lie.

    They say "there is no such thing as gender".

    That is also a lie.

    They say that two people of the same sex can marry. That a man can become a woman.

    Who are the people who believe this? How can objective reality suddenly become blurry?

    What has happened to us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    From Newmans post:



    They say "there is no such thing as race".

    That is a lie.

    They say "there is no such thing as gender".

    That is also a lie.

    They say that two people of the same sex can marry. That a man can become a woman.

    Who are the people who believe this? How can objective reality suddenly become blurry?

    What has happened to us?

    Mark
    If I have the strategy right, it doesn't matter what the lie is. Further, it doesn't matter if it changes, does a one-eighty even.

    What matters is you accept it.

    "How many fingers do you see?"
    • "An iron curtain has descended across the continent." — Winston Churchill, March 5, 1946. But that was then, and somewhere else.
    • "Are you going to be responsible for the rioting if we hear this case?" — Chief Justice Roberts, who apparently had a secret codicil to his oath of office.
    • "Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate." — Texas State House Rep. Terry Meza, proposing to bar "castle defense" protection for victims of home invasions.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    If I have the strategy right, it doesn't matter what the lie is. Further, it doesn't matter if it changes, does a one-eighty even.

    What matters is you accept it.

    "How many fingers do you see?"
    If the thread about gay marriage has shown me anything, is that people will believe what they want to, based on emotion.

    Facts simply don't matter.

    Mark
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    Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

    Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    If the thread about gay marriage has shown me anything, is that people will believe what they want to, based on emotion.

    Facts simply don't matter.

    Mark
    Regular old fashioned arm-twisting works, too. If your job depends on attending workshops on "systemic racism," there you go...
    • "An iron curtain has descended across the continent." — Winston Churchill, March 5, 1946. But that was then, and somewhere else.
    • "Are you going to be responsible for the rioting if we hear this case?" — Chief Justice Roberts, who apparently had a secret codicil to his oath of office.
    • "Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate." — Texas State House Rep. Terry Meza, proposing to bar "castle defense" protection for victims of home invasions.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    We can't even agree on reality anymore. Really??

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    Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

    Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80zephyr View Post
    We can't even agree on reality anymore. Really??

    Mark
    We cling to a fantasy that children are natural, unencumbered free spirits. Maybe it's a hangover from our hippie days, "free to be you and me," "I'm OK; you're OK" and so on. I think that's where the pernicious idea that children will never be untruthful about sexual abuse came from.

    But we've seen horrific atrocities by child soldiers. Were they raised by their parents to one day come in and hack them to pieces? We've seen Mao's Red Guards terrorize millions.

    Why do we persist, seemingly, to believe that children are impervious to profound persuasion?

    Simple, brutal pimps seem wiser to the ways of the world.
    • "An iron curtain has descended across the continent." — Winston Churchill, March 5, 1946. But that was then, and somewhere else.
    • "Are you going to be responsible for the rioting if we hear this case?" — Chief Justice Roberts, who apparently had a secret codicil to his oath of office.
    • "Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate." — Texas State House Rep. Terry Meza, proposing to bar "castle defense" protection for victims of home invasions.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.” — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    We cling to a fantasy that children are natural, unencumbered free spirits. Maybe it's a hangover from our hippie days, "free to be you and me," "I'm OK; you're OK" and so on. I think that's where the pernicious idea that children will never be untruthful about sexual abuse came from.

    But we've seen horrific atrocities by child soldiers. Were they raised by their parents to one day come in and hack them to pieces? We've seen Mao's Red Guards terrorize millions.

    Why do we persist, seemingly, to believe that children are impervious to profound persuasion?

    Simple, brutal pimps seem wiser to the ways of the world.
    True. In comparison, children are easy. Its why the left focus's on them. I mean, who doesn't feel those old heartstrings tug for a child, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    Among most of the the people I see, there is a towering impatience with this cowering. Even among very, very liberal friends (from Michigan here, full disclosure) there's a statement, ver batim, that, "I've been vaccinated; my second shot is coming up in a week. And then—I'm done with this. I'm going out." (OK, I've also got a couple of friends who look like they're prepared to slink about with two or ten face masks on for the rest of their lives.)
    Going out without a mask on? You can easily go out. Going to a restaurant, a convenience store or the gym without a mask is quite a different thing. Are you saying a revolt is brewing? Count me in.

    When Dopey claims we are going to be masked up for another year, something has to give.
    You can't unburn bridges.

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