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Thread: Trump defends judge attack: He's 'of Mexican heritage, I'm building a wall'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    To be clear, Judge Curiel is not a member of La Raza itself. He is a member of La Raza Lawyers of San Diego which is affiliated with racist anti-american groups that support illegal immigrants. Judge Curiel is however in the violation of the law as an officer of LRSD giving a scholarship to an illegal alien.
    The lefties here don't think its the same. But if "judge Bubba Bean" from Alabama was a member of the KKK lawyers of Alabama, my guess is that they'd be singing a different tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    It would be "racist" or "bigoted" to say that the judge can't decide his case because he's Mexican and therefore stupid. To say that he can not decide his case because, due to the judge's personal ties to Mexican immigrants and the fact that Trump's stance on Mexican immigration is so well known and so disliked by Hispanics and Latinos (as pointed out again and again by the media and the liberal pundits) and therefore assumed bias, is not "racist" or bigoted. It may very well be wrong, and I've heard lesser reasons for judges to recuse themselves. And it may be ignorant. I'm still not convinced that it's "racist".
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    It would be "racist" or "bigoted" to say that the judge can't decide his case because he's Mexican and therefore stupid. To say that he can not decide his case because, due to the judge's personal ties to Mexican immigrants and the fact that Trump's stance on Mexican immigration is so well known and so disliked by Hispanics and Latinos (as pointed out again and again by the media and the liberal pundits) and therefore assumed bias, is not "racist" or bigoted. It may very well be wrong, and I've heard lesser reasons for judges to recuse themselves. And it may be ignorant. I'm still not convinced that it's "racist".
    "And some, I assume, are good people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    I asked "How is this not racist?" and the answer is that Mexican is an ethnicity, not a race. So Trump's bigoted attack on the man's ethnicity is not "racism". It's (I guess) ethnicism. And that is somehow a whole lot better than racism or something.
    No, overt bigotry or ethnic prejudice is not better than racism and in many cases I ignore the distinction as there functionally may be no difference.

    The reason I went down this path is because I know that you are intelligent enough to know the difference between the terms yet you play the race card anyway.
    The same way as the media made Zimmerman a white Hispanic when he shot Skittles but now that Trump has made disparaging comments about Judge Curiel, Mexicans and whites are somehow different races, so it is racist.

    Even though I make mistakes myself, I expect that most of the people on this board are well enough versed in the English language to understand the difference between racism, bigotry, ethnic prejudice and racial, ethnic or sexual discrimination.
    Declaring what Trump said regarding Judge Curiel as racism is being intellectually dishonest.
    You know it and so do the majority, if not all, of this board.

    And if you go by Bok's definition (not agreeing, disagreeing or disparaging it), race is an artificial construct anyway, so if there are no races, there can be no racism.
    Last edited by gary m; Tuesday, June 7th, 2016 at 11:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novaheart View Post
    To be clear, Judge Curiel is not a member of La Raza itself. He is a member of La Raza Lawyers of San Diego which is affiliated with racist anti-american groups that support illegal immigrants. Judge Curiel is however in the violation of the law as an officer of LRSD giving a scholarship to an illegal alien.
    The entire state of California participates in that, by its laws which provide California resident status in state colleges to such students.

    All of the law you cited refers to employment. Says nothing at all about assisting students. Unless that scholarship included a guarantee of work-study employment, it did not violate the section you quoted. Possibly some other section of which I'm unaware, but not the one you quoted.
    No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. This offer VALID in 35 34 33 32 31 26 20 17 15 14 13 ALL 50 states.

    The new 13 original states to stand up for freedom: CA, CT, IA, MA, DE, MN, NH, NY, RI, VT, ME, MD, NJ (plus DC).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    So no Christians should have been able to preside over the Hobby Lobby case, and no one who has ever voted for either major party's candidates or been registered with either party should have been able to hear Bush v. Gore, no judge who belongs to the Cuban-American Bar Association should be able to hear immigration appeals.....we might as well eliminate the courts. You'd like that, wouldn't you?
    There is a difference between being a Christian and a zealot. Each instance should be looked at separately. Why are you being so stupid about this? As a lawyer, I know that you prefer one judge over another when cases are tried, yet all are supposed to be impartial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillygirl View Post
    It would be "racist" or "bigoted" to say that the judge can't decide his case because he's Mexican and therefore stupid. To say that he can not decide his case because, due to the judge's personal ties to Mexican immigrants and the fact that Trump's stance on Mexican immigration is so well known and so disliked by Hispanics and Latinos (as pointed out again and again by the media and the liberal pundits) and therefore assumed bias, is not "racist" or bigoted. It may very well be wrong, and I've heard lesser reasons for judges to recuse themselves. And it may be ignorant. I'm still not convinced that it's "racist".
    You know, if Trump had said, "The judge is a white guy who is an activist for Mexican immigrants and therefore biased" that would be right in line with your explanation. But what Trump actually said is "this judge is of Mexican heritage".
    Last edited by Norm dePlume; Tuesday, June 7th, 2016 at 11:48 AM. Reason: Fixed the quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Jingo View Post
    Bigotry does not require a sense of superiority or belief in a group's inferiority to your own.
    Give the "bigotry" shit a rest Billy. In today's world, simply disagreeing with a minority will get you labeled a sexist, racist, etc.

    I reject that as pure bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
    Well, I assumed everyone knew that.

    Religious and other organizations that flout the law do so as a form of civil disobedience. Smart people don't expect to escape punishment for civil disobedience; that would practically negate the purpose of it. Civil disobedience aims to change the law by demonstrating to the voting public that it's wrong or silly or harmful to society at large to enact and enforce bad laws. Civil-rights sit-in demonstrators WENT TO JAIL. for their convictions. Some died for them.

    That's different from advocating a change in the law. The entire time that I lived in Florida, I was a member in good standing of the Florida Bar and an active member of organizations that advocated overturning bad laws that prohibited gay people getting married at law, adopting children and otherwise enjoying the full civil rights of all citizens. It was not a conflict and would not have been a conflict if I had been a judge. Because there was a valid legal argument (since vindicated by the US Supreme Court) that Florida law violated the US Constitution, it would not have been improper for me, as a judge, to hear a case on the issue. As it was, IIRC it was a straight Republican Florida judge who threw out the discriminatory adoption laws, but any judge could have done so, as long as s/he ruled impartially on issues of law, and not mere political or religious grounds.
    Bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm dePlume View Post
    You know, if Trump had said, "The judge is a white guy who is an activist for Mexican immigrants and therefore biased" that would be right in line with your explanation. But what Trump actually said is "He's a Mexican."
    He had to say he was a Mexican, as that was the crux of his argument.

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