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    Voter fraud in CA?

    The confluence of circumstances defies an innocent explanation.

    Giving Driver's Licenses to Illegal Aliens Makes Illegal Voting a Real Possibility


    So California gives drivers license to illegal immigrants, and "on October 10, 2015, Governor Jerry Brown signed Assembly Bill 1461, the New Motor Voter Act, which will automatically register people to vote through the DMV."

    Interestingly, "[True the Vote spokesman Logan] Churchwell pointed out that state officials 'specifically chose not to make noncitizen license holders searchable in their DMV database.'" Why would they do that?

    For the state's part:
    it is next-to-impossible to determine exactly how many of them have registered to vote in California or actually have voted. However, by studying some of the information found on the state DMV website and the Secretary of State website, we can learn a little about how difficult (or easy) it is for illegal aliens first to obtain a driver's license and then to become a registered voter.

    Getting the license is fairly easy, since to be eligible for a California driver's license under AB-60, the applicant must be at least 16 years old, and be able to provide proof of identity and California residency. Mexican citizens may prove their identity by showing a matrícula consular card, issued by any Mexican consulate to those showing Mexican government-issued IDs.

    While these special licenses may not be used for identification purposes (the same used to be said of Social Security cards, but look how pervasive the use of Social Security numbers as identifiers has become), the DMV says they “cannot be used against the license holder to determine their immigration status or citizenship, or detain them in any way for reasons other than valid traffic violations.”

    When we go to the California secretary of state’s page to find out who can register to vote, it states that (among other things) one must be a United States citizen, a resident of California, and 18 years of age or older on Election Day.

    While this ostensibly bars noncitizens from voting, whether or not the state takes adequate measure to ensure that all voters are citizens is quite another matter.

    The secretary of state’s website states that the applicant must complete a brief voter registration application on paper or online. We are told: “When you register online, the system will search the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) database for your California driver license or identification card number, date of birth, and last four digits of your social security number.” (The last four digits of the social security number could easily be faked by providing false information when applying for the license.)

    To check out the system, we tried doing a “dry run” through the website, stopping before actually submitting the application. Immediately, we found that some questions relied on the applicant’s honesty, such as “I am a US citizen.” Would an illegal alien actually answer “No”?

    At the end of the process, the applicant must affirm (among other things):

    “I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that

    “I am a U.S. citizen and will be at least 18 years old on election day…..”
    Got it. No problem in evidence, or so it will be endlessly argued by those packing the election with possible illegal votes.
    Brown and the California Democratic party know exactly what they are doing; as a Public Policy Institute survey showed, among unregistered adults, 49% lean toward the Democratic Party and 22% toward the Republican Party. Any bill permitting illegal immigrants to vote would cement the Democratic Party’s hold on California. [Breitbart]
    So how big a problem might this be?

    California DMV: 800,000 Undocumented Immigrants Got Driver’s Licenses Under State’s Controversial AB 60 Law In 2 Years
    ... Another law, AB 1461, is scheduled to come into force in 2017, automatically registering most licensed California drivers to vote, a move that critics say may lead to election fraud. Officials, however, say there are safeguards in place to avoid any such difficulty.
    2017? Not clear in the law's text, though its effective date is contingent on other laws.
    This bill would incorporate additional changes to Section 2102 of the Elections Code, proposed by SB 589, that would become operative only if SB 589 and this bill are both chaptered and become effective on or before January 1, 2016, and this bill is chaptered last.
    How many are we talking bout?
    Two years after the implementation of AB 60 on Jan. 1, 2015, an estimated 806,000 undocumented residents have received driver’s licenses, according to Department of Motor Vehicles statistics this month. About 14,000 of these licenses were issued in November alone, the DMV said. [Mercury News]
    It can't be too hard to make voter registration rolls searchable such that illegitimate votes, innocent or not, can be prevented. CA Dems are bent on going in a different direction, it seems.

    As far as "hacking an election, the Russians are pikers compared to California Democrats.

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    Must suck to rig a game and still lose.
    If it pays, it stays

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    Getting the license is fairly easy, since to be eligible for a California driver's license under AB-60, the applicant must be at least 16 years old, and be able to provide proof of identity and California residency. IDs.
    Wonder what they use for "proof of identity"..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbit View Post
    Must suck to rig a game and still lose.
    If they didn't choose "not to make noncitizen license holders searchable in their DMV database," they could publish the advantage Hillary had among illegal immigrant voters. I bet it's a lot higher than the apparent leanings of "unregistered adults," "49% lean toward the Democratic Party and 22% toward the Republican Party."

    Some people, including me, see a strategy in Obama's pattern of dropping off illegal immigrants in "red" parts of the country. It was a major component of their effort to turn Texas blue. Maybe 2016 was just too soon.

    If only they exercised such long-range planning in things like our dealings with Putin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    If they didn't choose "not to make noncitizen license holders searchable in their DMV database," they could publish the advantage Hillary had among illegal immigrant voters. I bet it's a lot higher than the apparent leanings of "unregistered adults," "49% lean toward the Democratic Party and 22% toward the Republican Party."

    Some people, including me, see a strategy in Obama's pattern of dropping off illegal immigrants in "red" parts of the country. It was a major component of their effort to turn Texas blue. Maybe 2016 was just too soon.
    Myself doesn't think the illegals really care about voting or much about even an election going on. If half of our citizens don't care and don't go to vote, well, the illegals - who can't speak, read or write English and don't put forth any effort to learn- aren't going to at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frostbit View Post
    Must suck to rig a game and still lose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Newman View Post
    If they didn't choose "not to make noncitizen license holders searchable in their DMV database," they could publish the advantage Hillary had among illegal immigrant voters. I bet it's a lot higher than the apparent leanings of "unregistered adults," "49% lean toward the Democratic Party and 22% toward the Republican Party."
    Are you two unclear on the meaning of "scheduled to come into force in 2017"? Even if your false premise were true, these conclusions wouldn't wash.

    On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
    -H. L. Mencken

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