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    A danger to public health? Uproar as scientist urges us to eat more salt

    A danger to public health? Uproar as scientist urges us to eat more salt

    Sarah Boseley Health editor
    Tuesday 8 August 2017 12.29 EDT Last modified on Tuesday 8 August 2017 17.00 EDT

    Public health experts in the UK have spoken out against a new book that claims many of us should be eating more salt, not less – claiming the advice could endanger people’s health.

    New York scientist James DiNicolantonio says in his book The Salt Fix that the World Health Organisation and the US and UK advisory bodies on diet have got it wrong with their advice to cut down on salt.

    Salt is necessary and good for us, he says. Eating more salt will reduce the amount of sugar in our diet and help us lose weight, he says. Indeed low-salt diets may be causing brittle bones and memory loss and more salt could fix diabetes, he claims.

    “Instead of ignoring your salt cravings, you should give in to them – they are guiding you to better health,” he argues in his book, which has won attention for his ideas in the UK media. “Most of us don’t need to eat low-salt diets. In fact, for most of us, more salt would be better for our health rather than less.

    “Meanwhile, the white crystal we’ve demonized all these years has been taking the fall for another, one so sweet that we refused to believe it wasn’t benign. A white crystal that, consumed in excess, can lead to high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, and chronic kidney disease: not salt, but sugar.”

    But Public Health England (PHE), speaking out as promotion of DiNicolantonio’s book gathered pace in the UK, said his advice was not only wrong but dangerous. Prof Louis Levy, head of nutrition science at PHE, said: “Diet is now the leading cause of ill health. By advocating a high-salt diet this book is putting the health of many at risk and it undermines internationally recognised evidence that shows a diet high in salt is linked to high blood pressure, a known risk for heart disease.

    “Our work with the food industry to cut the salt in food has already seen consumption in the UK reduce by 11% and is seen as the model to aspire to globally.”

    The row follows other diet controversies, such as the renewed debate over saturated fat and cholesterol. But the evidence on salt is incontrovertible, according to Graham MacGregor, a professor of cardiovascular medicine, who led the campaign for action on salt and health (CASH). That succeeded in persuading the government to take action by putting pressure on fast food companies to reduce the salt levels in their ready-meals, the biggest source of salt in our diets.
    Hilarious.

    There was a huge study in the EU itself that looked at salt consumption and morbidity/mortality. The only group adversely affected by normal or high salt consumption were people with kidney disease.

    This fits with known science. There's always a problem when people in general are advised to follow advice that is really only useful for a specific subgroup.

    This applies to basically everything: diet advice, psychological advice, financial advice, gardening, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingersnap View Post
    Hilarious.

    There was a huge study in the EU itself that looked at salt consumption and morbidity/mortality. The only group adversely affected by normal or high salt consumption were people with kidney disease.

    This fits with known science. There's always a problem when people in general are advised to follow advice that is really only useful for a specific subgroup.

    This applies to basically everything: diet advice, psychological advice, financial advice, gardening, etc.

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    Thanks to Michelle Obama. The seniors eating lunch at their center have to sneak salt in. It's forbidden for there to be a salt shaker anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Marva View Post
    Thanks to Michelle Obama. The seniors eating lunch at their center have to sneak salt in. It's forbidden for there to be a salt shaker anywhere.
    That is beautiful.

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    Are you guys sure this is malicious intent, or just the slow molasses of bureaucracy that's slow to change in light of new finding?

    The people running all the health-stuff in the UK are probably the same age as the ones running everything here; the ones raised on 70's-era advice that salt and fat are bad, mmkay, and low calorie and high sugar are somehow OK.

    It's hard to get people to drop their old notions for new advice, especially when it flies in the face of what they've known most of their life. Some people still think eggs are bad for you, for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Are you guys sure this is malicious intent, or just the slow molasses of bureaucracy that's slow to change in light of new finding?

    The people running all the health-stuff in the UK are probably the same age as the ones running everything here; the ones raised on 70's-era advice that salt and fat are bad, mmkay, and low calorie and high sugar are somehow OK.

    It's hard to get people to drop their old notions for new advice, especially when it flies in the face of what they've known most of their life. Some people still think eggs are bad for you, for example.
    "Graham MacGregor, a professor of cardiovascular medicine"

    If he's holding onto old notions he needs to be in a different job. This is a business decision, not a medical one. Business meaning that medical scientists especially those in academia make their way by being advocates for or against something. They aren't good at their formal job so they have to make shit up to be relevant. I see this all the time in drug development.

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    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...e-war-on-salt/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Servo View Post
    Are you guys sure this is malicious intent, or just the slow molasses of bureaucracy that's slow to change in light of new finding?

    The people running all the health-stuff in the UK are probably the same age as the ones running everything here; the ones raised on 70's-era advice that salt and fat are bad, mmkay, and low calorie and high sugar are somehow OK.

    It's hard to get people to drop their old notions for new advice, especially when it flies in the face of what they've known most of their life. Some people still think eggs are bad for you, for example.
    It's not malicious.

    However, if you are doing "sciency" stuff, you have a positive duty to stay up-to-date in your field as well as carefully scrutinizing the methodology and math in any studies that you use to support whatever your view may be.

    This is a constant problem now in many, many fields. There is no such thing as 'settled science' nor can there be. It's remotely possible that we will discover something that really does change the law of physics (Newtonian) or upends the periodic table. Science always has to be wide open to being revised or even reversed when new credible data emerges.

    There's zero shame in admitting that a previous position is now found to be false. Clinging to a disproven theory out of ideological commitment or cultural bias is simply wrong but it happens at the highest and most trusted levels, sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Marva View Post
    Thanks to Michelle Obama. The seniors eating lunch at their center have to sneak salt in. It's forbidden for there to be a salt shaker anywhere.
    AAAAnnnnnddddd.................. it turns out the seniors have to take in their own mayonnaise for their sandwiches. They can have dressing for the cucumbers............... but they get nothing for a sandwich. Doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Marva View Post
    AAAAnnnnnddddd.................. it turns out the seniors have to take in their own mayonnaise for their sandwiches. They can have dressing for the cucumbers............... but they get nothing for a sandwich. Doesn't make sense.
    Link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Marva View Post
    AAAAnnnnnddddd.................. it turns out the seniors have to take in their own mayonnaise for their sandwiches. They can have dressing for the cucumbers............... but they get nothing for a sandwich. Doesn't make sense.
    How did Michelle Obama get this done? I'm not a fan of hers but I'm pretty sure there is some other government employee responsible for this policy if it exists. I visited a friend in a nursing home recently and we had lunch in the cafeteria. Salt and pepper shakers were on every table and there was mayonnaise for the sandwiches. They even had Coke.
    "What truly matters is not which party controls our government, but whether our government is controlled by the people. January 20th 2017, will be remembered as the day the people became the rulers of this nation again. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer."

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